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Hazing - French AF Style


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And I thought getting dropped for a hundred or so push-ups in Infantry School was somewhat tough. The French AF take hazing to another level. 

 

A pilot recruit was blindfolded and strapped to a target as fighter jets fired on him in a brutal hazing ritual, says legal complaint (yahoo.com)

 

 

 

 

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According to the article the cost of running a Mirage is "15000 euro per hour in fuel alone"? What the heck is that jet burning? I thought it was kerosene. We use kerosene for heating around here and the current price is 340 euro for 500 kg, 0.68 euro per kg. At this rate 15000 euro worth of fuel is 22000 kg. Where does a Mirage carry that much fuel. 

This is on par with the cretinous claims of "tens of thousands of tons of CO2 expelled by an airliner in an hour". These guys need to check their figures.

Radu

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Jet fuel is nowhere near the same as heating oil, and diesel fuel.  While they’re all kerosene, jet fuel is highly refined and does not contain any of the impurities that heating oil or diesel fuel do…making it more expensive.  Add to that the cocktail of ingredients used in military jet fuel and it makes it more expensive.

 

I’m not indicating the published  numbers you reference are correct but only that the composition and cost of your reference comparisons are much different.  One can probably look up the fuel flow of the Mirage aircraft under differing conditions in their equivalent to the U.S. dash one (flight manual).

 

Were you to use jet fuel in your oil furnace, it would neither coke up nor need cleaning.  I know this because every time we did a heavy maintenance check on our Lear 35’s, we’d have to drain around 35-50 gallons of fuel out of the jets which cannot be reused.  So, one of the guys that heated with oil would run his furnace on the jet fuel and he never had to clean, replace or otherwise maintain his furnace…. Yes, jet fuel is that clean.

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35 minutes ago, Juggernut said:

Jet fuel is nowhere near the same as heating oil, and diesel fuel.  While they’re all kerosene, jet fuel is highly refined and does not contain any of the impurities that heating oil or diesel fuel do…making it more expensive.  Add to that the cocktail of ingredients used in military jet fuel and it makes it more expensive.


Nope! Aviation fuel is not THAT expensive. See this https://www.flightdeckfriend.com/ask-a-pilot/how-much-does-jet-fuel-cost/ 

“15000 euro per hour in fuel costs alone” to run a Mirage means that either someone is ripping off the French Air Force or that article is written by someone who just did not understand how aircraft work. That aircraft is expected to get off the ground. In order to take off with 15000 euro worth of fuel (you calculate the weight) on board a jet would need to have the same wingspan as a B-52 to generate enough lift. 15000 per hour may be the total cost, including maintenance, overhaul, weapons, wages and last on the list, fuel. 

Radu

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6 minutes ago, vince14 said:

Yeah, because the most important part of this story is how much the French are paying for their jet fuel…

 

Insane fuel costs is bad journalism. 

I do not have a "hot take" about the hazing. 

Radu

 

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3 hours ago, Radub said:

 Insane fuel costs is bad journalism

No it isn't.

 

'Speaking to La Provence, Rossi-Arnaud also noted that he and his client believe that the hazing was "a monumental waste of public money." He claims that the cost of flying a Mirage jet amounts to roughly 15,000 euros per hour in fuel alone.'.

 

The journalist is reporting on what the lawyer has stated, and has made it clear that it is a claim and not necessarily a fact - which is good journalism.

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2 minutes ago, vince14 said:

No it isn't.

 

'Speaking to La Provence, Rossi-Arnaud also noted that he and his client believe that the hazing was "a monumental waste of public money." He claims that the cost of flying a Mirage jet amounts to roughly 15,000 euros per hour in fuel alone.'.

 

The journalist is reporting on what the lawyer has stated, and has made it clear that it is a claim and not necessarily a fact - which is good journalism.

 

It is bad journalism because he did not question it.

A claim of 15000 euro per hour in jet fuel should start ringing alarm bells, raising red flags or any other metaphor you like. Taking that as a "fact" is stupid.

Radu

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1 hour ago, Radub said:

It is bad journalism because he did not question it.

A claim of 15000 euro per hour in jet fuel should start ringing alarm bells, raising red flags or any other metaphor you like. Taking that as a "fact" is stupid.

Radu

But why should a claim of 15,000 Euro per hour ring alarm bells with him? He's a journalist, not an expert on military jet fuel procurement. If I told you that the weekly average of new crypto currency wallets used on the Dark Web was 15,000, would that ring alarm bells with you, or not?

 

Furthermore, he doesn't have to verify it because he's made it clear in the article that it's a claim made by a third party. He's not reporting on how much the French Air Force spends on fuel, he's only reporting on what the lawyer has stated.

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7 hours ago, vince14 said:

But why should a claim of 15,000 Euro per hour ring alarm bells with him? He's a journalist, not an expert on military jet fuel procurement. If I told you that the weekly average of new crypto currency wallets used on the Dark Web was 15,000, would that ring alarm bells with you, or not?

 

Furthermore, he doesn't have to verify it because he's made it clear in the article that it's a claim made by a third party. He's not reporting on how much the French Air Force spends on fuel, he's only reporting on what the lawyer has stated.


My point is that 15000 per hour on fuel is insane. it does not matter who said or why. It is stupid.

Radu

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