Cicchino Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1. all thoughts and opinions most welcome! regards Cicchino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, Cicchino said: Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1. all thoughts and opinions most welcome! regards Cicchino I forget where from but I read that it came from the factory with the standard lozenge scheme and was painted over in the field just like MvR's red triplane. I have this kit too and was thinking of having lozenge a little visible under the white. It would add a little more interest to the plain white paint. MikeC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 That’s funny, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that his aircraft came from the factory in overall white. Gazzas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cicchino said: Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1. all thoughts and opinions most welcome! regards Cicchino 4 minutes ago, John1 said: That’s funny, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that his aircraft came from the factory in overall white. That is funny. My understanding is the fabric had the patern on it before they applied it to the plane. There are several photos of tne plane on the WnW website. I don't know if it shows it well enough to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cicchino said: Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1. all thoughts and opinions most welcome! regards Cicchino 10 minutes ago, John1 said: That’s funny, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that his aircraft came from the factory in overall white. I knew I read it somewhere. It's on the painting and markings page of the kit instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicchino Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 No longer pondering I actually took the unprecedented step and actually opened and read the instructions. Now don’t I feel like Col Jessup - thanks for all the replies and sorry for sending you all on a goose chase. MikeC, Out2gtcha and AlbertD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasephantomphixer Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cicchino said: No longer pondering I actually took the unprecedented step and actually opened and read the instructions. Now don’t I feel like Col Jessup - thanks for all the replies and sorry for sending you all on a goose chase. I'd say the goose was white... MikeC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europapete Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) ah, yes, but did it have darker patterned feathers under the white ones? Do you have a photo? I'll get my coat. Edited November 24, 2020 by europapete phasephantomphixer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_C Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 It wasn't a goose - it was a SWAN! phasephantomphixer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince14 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Greg VanWyngarden ( a noted WWI aviation historian) has stated that D.VII F 5125/18 was almost certainly painted white at the Fokker factory at Goering's request. phasephantomphixer and Gazzas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 So, painted white over the doped 4-5 color lozenge? That would have been visible in the pit, possibly faintly. LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/25/2020 at 5:41 AM, vince14 said: Greg VanWyngarden ( a noted WWI aviation historian) has stated that D.VII F 5125/18 was almost certainly painted white at the Fokker factory at Goering's request. So that begets the question of whether the Fokker folks would have gone to the trouble of using non-printed fabric or simply painted over the standard lozenge. If the latter, I'm sure they would have done a much better job than if it was field applied but maybe there was still a chance that a slight hint of lozenge could be visible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince14 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Personally I think it's more likely that the white was painted over the lozenge rather than being a total custom job. There's not much evidence of lozenge in the photos of 5125/17, but I would assume that the inside of the cockpit would still be 'interior' lozenge. As ever with WWI, it's all down to individual interpretation from period photographs so neither approach is wrong. John1, Out2gtcha, europapete and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 hours ago, vince14 said: Personally I think it's more likely that the white was painted over the lozenge rather than being a total custom job. There's not much evidence of lozenge in the photos of 5125/17, but I would assume that the inside of the cockpit would still be 'interior' lozenge. As ever with WWI, it's all down to individual interpretation from period photographs so neither approach is wrong. Probably a safe bet. I don't know how opaque white was back in the day, but seems more likely a dedecent paint job over lozenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 10 hours ago, vince14 said: Personally I think it's more likely that the white was painted over the lozenge rather than being a total custom job. There's not much evidence of lozenge in the photos of 5125/17, but I would assume that the inside of the cockpit would still be 'interior' lozenge. As ever with WWI, it's all down to individual interpretation from period photographs so neither approach is wrong. I think when I build mine I'll let a bit of the lozenge to show through just for interest. A stark white would be a bit dull but having a bit of lozenge show through would tell a bit of a story. LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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