Basta Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, ericg said: Seconded only to the AK Interactive fiasco of the last few days, this is possibly the saddest thing I have read about our hobby in my 10 years of being active in it. Do we not appreciate skill and talent anymore? How about we just forget about entering models that have been lovingly crafted and presented and just chuck pre made die cast models on tables, with the winner decided by who was able to get theirs out of the box quickest? As LSP-K2 divined, I was being provocative, but also apparently it hit quite the nerve if my post has been compared to commercially exploiting the holocaust. Seriously? I'd only note that your reaction indicates that you view modeling as a competitive sport and not as a hobby, and that clearly this product somehow threatens your conception of your rank in that arena so dramatically that you could only compare it to the holocaust. It's like having a dog for companionship or being a dog trainer. I just want to have a dog as a dog. LSP_K2, DonH and coogrfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant_T Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, DonH said: It seems to me that if enough modellers are outraged and don't like this product, then the company will go out of business due to lack of sales. If they continue to thrive, that may tell us something about many of the opinions expressed in this thread. Like it? Buy it Don't like it? Then don't buy it. I agree wholeheartedly. The market decides absolutely all values. There is simply no other way to judge the value of something apart from whether it sells well or not. Verily, the entire notion of human value is beholden to the almighty market. Integrity, skill, aesthetics, judgment, taste, cower ye in the face of the purchasing decisions of Joe modeler. Bow down supplicant ones etc. DonH and coogrfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 If one wants to scratch-build a cockpit with one’s own hands instead of using aftermarket, it is entirely one’s choice. However, all aftermarket is also created by human hands. Computer softwares, 3D printers, photo-etch machines, lathes, milling machines, chisels, scalpels, tweezers, whatever, are only tools in the hands of a human. “Aftermarket” means only that these creators choose to share the result of their work with others. Everyone can access the same tools and nothing stops anyone from doing the same or better. Radu coogrfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade rowlands Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Well I got a set for the Tamiya 1/48 P-38 and I’m amazed at the detail of the set. In a larger scale, I’d probably have had a go at painting and detailing the cockpit myself whilst using a Yahu or Eduard Löök panel with Airscale Placards Lead wire, plasticard and whatnot. But in the smaller scale? I couldn’t even come close. So I will unashamedly use this set for the P-38 and will buy anything of the like for my smaller scale stuff. I have never entered a competition and likely never will, I build for myself and my enjoyment alone. Though I do occasionally share photos here and there. In every hobby or walk of life you will get Purists and Charlatans (myself in this case most likely). We are human, we won’t all agree on 100% of stuff 100% of the time but such is life. I won’t fall out with anyone over it, a simple shrug of the shoulders and move on. If it’s been a tough day at work, possibly a middle finger instead of the shrug of the shoulders but that’s about it. I will still come and revel at the photos posted by the masters of the arts here. Be prompted to try several techniques myself but after near 40 years of living with myself I have a damned good idea of what I can and can’t achieve (this doesn’t mean I won’t push myself to try and learn or adapt a technique for my own use/skill level). A paint job replicating the detail in these sets is way beyond me. I’d rather use the set on an interior and concentrate what meagre skills I do possess on the outward appearance. Lothar, coogrfan, Greif8 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Radu, this is only partly true as this stays very theoretical. Actually, this is also a matter of resources you can invest in a modelling project. I'm curious knowing the proportion of 'Joe the modeller' people who can or want to get a lathe or 3D printer for their Sunday afternoon modelling projects.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, thierry laurent said: Radu, this is only partly true as this stays very theoretical. Actually, this is also a matter of resources you can invest in a modelling project. I'm curious knowing the proportion of 'Joe the modeller' people who can or want to get a lathe or 3D printer for their Sunday afternoon modelling projects.... We often choose expedience over effort. That is the crux of this whole issue. Same applies to everything in our lives. This aftermarket makes life easier, but it is not compulsory. One can always choose to do it the hard way if that is what one wants. This aftermarket was created by a person using tools. Anyone can do that. Radu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Aren't all the model parts attached to the sprues pre-made for us to cut off and then put together and paint with pre-made paints?. You know Part No 1 goes on Part No 34.........clean the resin....... spray FS324987567 on top. Or would an airbrushed finish earn less points than a really well done brush paint finish? and the rest is up to us. DonH, Lothar and coogrfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_S Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Like it or not, 3D printing is here, and it's not going to go away. As the population of modelers ages, the eyes aren't what they once were, and the hands may not be as steady either. If a modeler chooses to go this route, it's his (or her) prerogative. Squizzy 78, scvrobeson, D.B. Andrus and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 hours ago, LSP_Kevin said: No, but it's all over the rest of the modelling web, and most especially on Facebook. I haven't seen it myself, but apparently they use some pretty repugnant holocaust video and imagery in their latest marketing campaign. Kev OK. Thanks, Kev. I found a five page "discussion" on a site called RPG.net, and am currently reading all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) I ordered 2 sets for the F-16. I think they look pretty cool. I noticed one or two things missing that I’ll have to scratch, depending on which block I am doing. They’ll sell a bunch of these I bet. cheers Pete Edited September 7, 2020 by Pete Fleischmann Michael931080, Anthony in NZ, LSP_K2 and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Colvin Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Had a quick thought....perhaps it has already been said.........The Tamiya tomcat is made for this type of application......Just saying if Quinta is watching this space.....Do the Tamiya cat! coogrfan and thierry laurent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coogrfan Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Take a look at this and then imagine how much better 1/32 would be. Quinta 1/48 for Tamiya Tomcat D.B. Andrus, Anthony in NZ, Derek B and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Indeed. To me this will at last allow to get detailed instrument panels for sixties and seventies jets as they had tons of knobs and switches with white stenciling everywhere. And this white stenciling has always been a nightmare to be reproduced correctly. Anthony in NZ, adameliclem and Lothar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quang Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Yeah but I see no interest when my finished cockpit looks exactly the same as my fellow modellers’. All I have to do is to open my wallet and shell out the $. Where’s the fun? What’s the hobby? Give me back the old-school Monogram inscribed Instrument panels. At least I’d feel I achieved something when I finish painting one of them. Panzerwomble, ericg, LSP_K2 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adameliclem Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, thierry laurent said: Indeed. To me this will at last allow to get detailed instrument panels for sixties and seventies jets as they had tons of knobs and switches with white stenciling everywhere. And this white stenciling has always been a nightmare to be reproduced correctly. Agreed. Besides stenciling, a lot of aircraft had hand-painted notations, labels and markings, done to different standards. You see a lot of it in Second World War aircraft, particularly of the German variety. It’s extremely difficult to replicate, especially in areas dense with instruments and switches. I’d be glad if printing technology could fill that void. Adam thierry laurent and D.B. Andrus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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