D.B. Andrus Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Anthony in NZ said: Hi Damian...I looked at what they produce (and I have a lot of their sets), but nothing I feel I can replicate that flush hinge... Rather, what I should have said is contact Woody at Archer as he makes a set of decal latches that are flush. https://www.archertransfers.com/AR32011.html He might be interested in doing something for you and/or the F-4 in general. Just a thought. Cheers, Damian Brett M and Anthony in NZ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 This is a really interesting thread and I am learning a lot about the development of the ultimate Phantom. I am also learning a lot about scratch building and general modelling skills, looking forward to more. Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 5:17 AM, D.B. Andrus said: Rather, what I should have said is contact Woody at Archer as he makes a set of decal latches that are flush. https://www.archertransfers.com/AR32011.html He might be interested in doing something for you and/or the F-4 in general. Just a thought. Cheers, Damian Aaah, good thinking! 17 hours ago, DonH said: This is a really interesting thread and I am learning a lot about the development of the ultimate Phantom. I am also learning a lot about scratch building and general modelling skills, looking forward to more. Glad you are enjoying it Don, so am I. This is what LSP is all about. Ok, so much serious study on this back end. Huge thanks for everyones input and observations over the past few days. It has created a whole lot more work....but I have come this far so....what the hey. As John pointed out in his initial photo and comparisons, and then backed up by Derek, the change is quite obvious the more you look. Here is a photo of our very own Iain Ogilvie he took (possibly with Derek around?) and I think it captures the shape change well. Thanks Iain! You can really see here how the back end right behind the reheat can dips right down. Notice the fasteners. I just need to study this more to make sure the whole end dosent taper or just bulged above the tailhook mount area. I think Barry might have got it correct. Thanks again chaps, your input is more appreciated than you realise! And just glad I found out before it was too late! Cheers Anthony Michael931080, scvrobeson, AlbertD and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Anthony in NZ said: Aaah, good thinking! Glad you are enjoying it Don, so am I. This is what LSP is all about. Ok, so much serious study on this back end. Huge thanks for everyones input and observations over the past few days. It has created a whole lot more work....but I have come this far so....what the hey. As John pointed out in his initial photo and comparisons, and then backed up by Derek, the change is quite obvious the more you look. Here is a photo of our very own Iain Ogilvie he took (possibly with Derek around?) and I think it captures the shape change well. Thanks Iain! You can really see here how the back end right behind the reheat can dips right down. Notice the fasteners. I just need to study this more to make sure the whole end dosent taper or just bulged above the tailhook mount area. I think Barry might have got it correct. Thanks again chaps, your input is more appreciated than you realise! And just glad I found out before it was too late! Cheers Anthony Yes, Iain and I were there together...Iain took some pretty awesome reference images. Cheers Derek Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvwse4 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Hi Anthony, Great building, not much I can add but I am really enjoying myself reading it. Love the way you measure a few times and then cut, and then offcourse find out it wasn't exactly the way you figured it out. Sounds so familiar. Look forward to more. Rick Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel111 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Wow so many intricate differences I had never picked up before! Glad you’re the one tackling this, Anthony! Marcel Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Alright, I have spent waaaay too much time analyzing these profiles. I am going to see if this helps.... Photo's purely for illustrative purposes: OK, now see the J/S profile Now see the K/M profile Now, in a hope to illustrate where I think the curves start and finish etc, I have highlighted the top row of fasteners in red, then tried to understand where the apex of the same curves go (in green) on both. Now I know this is not an exact science, but it's helping me to see where they all change etc. To me the curvature is mostly at the top and coming down deep over the tops of the cans, the rest looks much the same, if blended down. Hopefully my basic editing skills illustrates what I am seeing....? This seems to match everyone elses photo's posted here. Hopefully this shot of a US back end at this angle helps illustrate Oops, ment to add one of Iain's images here Edited September 19, 2020 by Anthony in NZ Greg W, AlbertD and Derek B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 This illustrarates what you are up against very well. What a challange you have to look forward to. Your pictures also help me and it's much appreciated. Derek B and Anthony in NZ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, AlbertD said: This illustrarates what you are up against very well. What a challange you have to look forward to. Your pictures also help me and it's much appreciated. Thanks Albert, yes I am wishing I hadnt thrown out the resin WH piece that I cut off as I might have been able to use it or practice with it. I am thinking of slicing the vertical lines on the heat shielding between the pipes and splaying them open. I might see how I go or order a new piece from Tamiya and glue the forward sections on and sand them to shape...need to think about this Derek B and AlbertD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) I don't know how long it would take for you to get the part from Tamiya to NZ but I may be able to help. When I started my F-4J project I was so paranoid about sanding off the raised panels on the fuselage and re-scribing and riveting that I bought a second fuselage from an eBay seller that I didn't use. It came with the exaust shielding piece or whatever you call it. I would be happy to send it to you to practice on or use as needed. Just need an address to send it to. It may take a long while to get to you too but it's an option. Edited September 19, 2020 by AlbertD Derek B, Brett M and Anthony in NZ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I was just looking at mailing cost and it may be cost prohibitive but I would be happy to go to the Post Office and get an estimate. If it's not too bad I would just send it and not worry about it. Anthony in NZ and Greg W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, AlbertD said: I was just looking at mailing cost and it may be cost prohibitive but I would be happy to go to the Post Office and get an estimate. If it's not too bad I would just send it and not worry about it. Albert, you would be a true Legend mate! I am more than happy to pay for all the costs, no matter what it comes to. I reckon I know how how to go about it now (hence the late reply) but having a second piece would mean a much neater job with grafting the 2 together . You've made my day mate! You guys here rock, as Rich (Spooky56) donated the insert for the refueling probe after I decided to take a different direction with the conversion set as well as several others with their knowledge! Things like this usually have me putting projects on the SOD, I am determined to see this through now.... I will PM you now! Cheers mate Anthony AlbertD and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Anthony in NZ said: Albert, you would be a true Legend mate! I am more than happy to pay for all the costs, no matter what it comes to. I reckon I know how how to go about it now (hence the late reply) but having a second piece would mean a much neater job with grafting the 2 together . You've made my day mate! You guys here rock, as Rich (Spooky56) donated the insert for the refueling probe after I decided to take a different direction with the conversion set as well as several others with their knowledge! Things like this usually have me putting projects on the SOD, I am determined to see this through now.... I will PM you now! Cheers mate Anthony Happy to help. It all comes back in time one way or the other. Derek B and Greg W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, AlbertD said: Happy to help. It all comes back in time one way or the other. Sure does, I always make sure I can pay peoples help and generosity forward. I have sent out loads of stuff over the years and each time someone does the same to me I just cant believe it...thank you sir! Greg W, Derek B and AlbertD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertD Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Anthony in NZ said: Sure does, I always make sure I can pay peoples help and generosity forward. I have sent out loads of stuff over the years and each time someone does the same to me I just cant believe it...thank you sir! Ok, now get back to work. Edited September 19, 2020 by AlbertD Anthony in NZ, Derek B and Out2gtcha 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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