Messerschmitt Bf-109 F2 of 9.JG54. Yellow 7 flown by Alfred Dollefeld (WNr 8086): belly-landed in Russia, 28th Jan. 1942

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Hi,

 

with the 262 nearly finished it´s time to think about a new project. It will be a crash landed Friedrich. Here are 2 photos of it:

http://www.history.jp/images/Pi122-Me109-2L.jpg

http://www.history.jp/images/Pi122-Me109L.jpg

 

Some first questions arise and I am interesed to hear your ideas :-)

1. Antenna mast missing due to nthe impact or was it dismounted earlier?
2. Are there 1/32 scale Wehrmacht figures or Luftwaffe pilots available?

 

Have a nice evening,

Bernd.

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[Antonio Argudo]

nice project Bernd,  the antenna mast was there initially!  really like your previous fallen eagles and this one will be superb for sure!  although I would love to see you back at your 1/12 Dora   cheers

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Antonio Argudo

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2 hours ago, Antonio Argudo said:

nice project Bernd,  the antenna mast was there initially!  really like your previous fallen eagles and this one will be superb for sure!  although I would love to see you back at your 1/12 Dora   cheers

 

Hi Antonio,

 

thanks for the input!

[MikeMaben]

Always thought that scheme interesting 

[nmayhew]

first, cool scheme!

 

a couple of questions

 

1 are we sure this is not a F-4, and if we are, how do we know?

 

2 what kit will you be using?

 

Thanks!

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39 minutes ago, nmayhew said:

first, cool scheme!

 

a couple of questions

 

1 are we sure this is not a F-4, and if we are, how do we know?

 

2 what kit will you be using?

 

Thanks!

 

Hi,

hmm, have to check the references for sub-type determination. It has the external re-inforcement strips at the tail unit... so that points to a F-2.

I have the Hasegawa F-4 kit and an "old" Aires resin set that actually looks quite nice!

[nmayhew]

not hard and fast, but I thought another 'tell' was if the quarter windows in cockpit will solid it generally indicated a F-4; on a F-2 these were still glass

[HB252]

1 hour ago, nmayhew said:

not hard and fast, but I thought another 'tell' was if the quarter windows in cockpit will solid it generally indicated a F-4; on a F-2 these were still glass

It has small Air scops in the cowling, I think It is a G-2 early

[nmayhew]

1 hour ago, HB252 said:

It has small Air scops in the cowling, I think It is a G-2 early

 

which aircraft are we talking about?

 

the big  close up in colour posted by Antonio is not the same airframe - it's quite clearly Yellow 6, not Yellow 7

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2 hours ago, HB252 said:

It has small Air scops in the cowling, I think It is a G-2 early

 

Hi

Thanks for your input! Yellow 7 is a Friedrich. Yellow 6 is indeed a early Gustav.

[RBrown]

W. Nr. 8086 is an Erla built Bf 109 F-2.

 

Tail re-enforcement strips were found on both F-2 and F-4s and is not indicative as to sub type.  Marseilles last assigned Bf 109 F-4 was delivered in the late summer of 1942 and had the re-enforcement strips.

 

 

[CATCplSlade]

On 6/23/2020 at 11:58 AM, 109 said:

Are there 1/32 scale Wehrmacht figures or Luftwaffe pilots available?

 

Have a nice evening,

Bernd.

 

I believe ICM has a couple of pilot sets but I don't believe there are any 1/32 Wehrmacht unless you can find an old 21st Century Toys figure set--and as they are OOP they might be pricey.

[nmayhew]

11 hours ago, RBrown said:

W. Nr. 8086 is an Erla built Bf 109 F-2.

 

Tail re-enforcement strips were found on both F-2 and F-4s and is not indicative as to sub type.  Marseilles last assigned Bf 109 F-4 was delivered in the late summer of 1942 and had the re-enforcement strips.

 

 

 

sorry to ask a silly question, but how do we know the WNr of this aircraft?

 

 

[MikeMaben]

Hi Nick, there's a record of the crash plus the photos.

 

The glass quarter was only on the port side for F-2/4.

Both sides were glass on the F-4Z.

 

I would bet those 2 photos are of the same a/c. First, the camo under

the cockpit matches as well as the snow drift at the wing root.

 

 

 

Betcha

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, MikeMaben said:

Hi Nick, there's a record of the crash plus the photos.

 

The glass quarter was only on the port side for F-2/4.

Both sides were glass on the F-4Z.

 

I would bet those 2 photos are of the same a/c. First, the camo under

the cockpit matches as well as the snow drift at the wing root.

 

 

 

Betcha

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, both pictures show the same a/c. I think the pictures show the a/c a few days after its crash. In the meanwhile more snow has fallen. Check out the areas underneath the wings which show considerably less snow.