thierry laurent Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has already seen an early MiG-27 (the so-called MiG-27 sans suffixe Flogger D) with the Guards marking on the air intake? I found such pictures of late types (typically based in East-Germany) but none of an early one. It is a hard fact few pictures of the type were taken during the Cold war seventies and the era ones typically show quite basic markings (red stars and the Bort number). Thanks for any information. Thierry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Dog Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) The Yefim Gordon book (which I am curently reading for my next Trumpeter Mig23 model) has picture of Mig-27D from the 19th GvAPIB in East Germany at Lärz Ab They sport the guard badge and are coded yellow There are pictures of Yellow 05, 07, 28 and 01(probably 25) and 50 Dunno if that's the type of info you're looking at since I'm not a specialist on Mig27 ... yet. I'm still reading the Mig23 part of the book and it's already looking quite complicated Edited March 28, 2020 by red Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 Thanks Olivier. I've the same book and such pictures were taken in Germany a little bit of time before the Russians went back to the East. These are late 27s. Indeed, the story of the Soviet Mig jets is typically as complicated as a soap opera scenario! D, M & K were late or modernized marks commonly used in the eighties. Such types could use smart bombs and missiles. I'm more interested in the initial type that was essentially dumb bombs and rockets capable. I like the weird nose tip of the early birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Dog Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Yeah I was confused with Mig-27 sans suffixe Flogger D I'm pretty torn between going Mig-23 or Mig-27 myself. Currently looking for an original Mig-23MLD but haven't made up my mind yet Sorry I couldn't help, but somehow I knew that the kind of question you would ask would not be so easy stusbke and thierry laurent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 I had a second look at that book. If there are not a lot of pictures of early 27 in units, there is a list of users and this clearly showed various guards units got them. I guess this means such planes did not have the guard specific markings on the intake at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isar 30/07 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Thierry, maybe I can help with that question. I have a book in german called "Rote Plätze" - in translation something like "air bases used by russian air force". This book discovers all the airfields/bases in the former GDR used by russian air force. A very intersting book indeed! Checking this book there are a four pics of Mig-27 wearing the Guards badge at the intakes. Later this evening I´ll send you these pics - maybe this answers your question. Cheers - Reimund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Thanks Reimund. The pictures are quite nice but show D/M & K types. I'm not sure early types were based in DDR. I'm going on searching. There is not one relevant picture in any of the three MiG-27 Russian ebooks I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hi, The picture in that link confirms my feeling. http://www.16va.be/page_mig-27_flogger-D_12_vol.html It looks early MiG-27s belonging to Guard units had no distinctive markings. They appeared later, somewhere during the mid/late eighties. The picture is also interesting as it shows a combination of Delta N fairing and dual ejection launcher under the LERX pylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutik Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Thierry, if to choose one single reference book to build a late Mig-27 (Khasach M), which one would be your pick? Regards - dutik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hi, Not that easy as there are not many books about the duck nose version! It depends on what you want. I found online three Russian ebooks and was not that much impressed by the contents from a modeller's standpoint. In English, the best global reference (history, operations, technical changes, pictures & plans) stays the huge Gordon/Kommissarov MiG-23/27 book. Before the publication of that one, the Aerofax was the best (but far less detailed) reference. If you are rather looking for plans, RV published a book with more than 100 detailed pages of all MiG-27 versions in 1/72 and 1/48 scales. But even if they are good plans, this does not go further. For walkaround pictures, the best source is clearly online pictures. Many walkarounds have been published. I also found some pictures thanks to searches in Russian on the Yandex search engine. Hth Thierry dutik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 An interesting page to see the differences between the marks: http://aviation-gb7.ru/MiG-27.htm Hth Thierry dutik and Martinnfb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, thierry laurent said: An interesting page to see the differences between the marks: http://aviation-gb7.ru/MiG-27.htm Hth Thierry Pretty interesting series of anecdotes from former pilots as well. They seem to have held it in pretty high regard.... Edited April 3, 2020 by John1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 I also found an online interview of an Indian Flogger pilot. They loved the plane in spite of the deficiencies. The worst feature was the gun. It was impossible to use it without damaging some components of the plane! This went from landing lights to the ejection seat control system! Frightening to say the least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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