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4 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said:

Regardless of what she was built with, she was in combat with a Ham Stan prop...

 

 

 

And here she is in combat with an Aeroproducts Prop.... which is what the OP was asking about. Judging by the scoreboard, the Hamilton-Standard prop came shortly after this photo was taken, indicating that she flew at least part of her combat career with an  Aeroproducts prop.

 

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8 hours ago, MikeMaben said:

 

Was there a serial that began the factory move of the battery ?

 

 

I originally thought so but I'll be damned if I can find it anywhere.  I can't even locate the modification paperwork for it.  I could've sworn the relocation started with the block 25 production at Inglewood (NA) but I'm not finding it.  I also thought the relocation was tied to a radio change as well...couldn't find anything on that either.  I have yet to check the P-51 SIG site and see what I can locate there.

 

SEE MY UPDATED POST BELOW.

 

I did find that the practice of painting the interior aluminum with one coat of zinc chromatic primer (including wheel wells, etc.) began with the block 20 series.

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Found Serial Number Information for Battery Relocation.
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11 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said:

That was common, especially in the CBI.  The Aeroproducts prop was universally hated by pilots and wrench turners.  It was impossible to keep balanced, and it caused bearing failures in the engine, as well as being uncomfortable to fly.  Supplies of the HS prop were always short, and they were prized scores when they did find them.  

 

I have read that the prop suffered from vibration issues but haven't read that it was to the extent you mention.  Can you give me a source for that information ? I'd like to read more about it.

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9 hours ago, MikeMaben said:

 

Was there a serial that began the factory move of the battery ?

 

 

I found it on the P-51 SIG Tech Forum:   The battery was relocated forward of the firewall beginning on 44-84390 (P-51D-25-NT) and 44-74227 (P-51D-30-NA). It does have to do with the installation of the SCR-695 radio set, which is the IFF radio.

 

Source:  North American Aviation "Weekly Service News", dated May 14, 1945, pages 8 and 9.

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Corrected SCR radio from 522 to 695
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24 minutes ago, Juggernut said:

 

I found it on the P-51 SIG Tech Forum:   The battery was relocated forward of the firewall beginning on 44-84390 (P-51D-25-NT) and 44-74227 (P-51D-30-NA). It does have to do with the installation of the SCR-522-A radio set, which is the IFF radio.

 

Source:  North American Aviation "Weekly Service News", dated May 14, 1945, pages 8 and 9.

Correct but I believe it was also a field retro-fit since the IFF set was added to in-service aircraft almost universally.     Only way to know for sure if an earlier model had this mod is if you can find a pic of the left side of the nose to see if the battery cooling scoop is present. 

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I thought this aircraft looked familiar!  It's one of the decal options for the 32nd scale  Tamiya P-51D/K that I'm building.   The Tamiya kit instructions show her to have the Aeroproducts prop blades and also, a raised, oval fairing just aft of the radio antenna, looks like it would have been a mount for a D/F aerial that wasn't installed.  The Tamiya info also shows this aircraft to be equipped with the earlier N-9 gunsight and no tail warning radar.  

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1 hour ago, John1 said:

Correct but I believe it was also a field retro-fit since the IFF set was added to in-service aircraft almost universally.     Only way to know for sure if an earlier model had this mod is if you can find a pic of the left side of the nose to see if the battery cooling scoop is present. 

 

This is somewhat confusing but according to what I'm reading, the SCR-695-A IFF radio set was located behind the pilots seat armor on the floor (only on aircraft not equipped with fuselage fuel tank [it had to be removed]).  The E&R manual indicates that on later airplanes there was no provision for the SCR-695 or 515 and were equipped with the AN/APS-13 IFF instead.  A sure indicator that an aircraft has the SCR-695 (or 515) and lacking a view of the cockpit behind the armor plate, is a vertical pole antenna (it looks to be about 24 inches in length) underneath the right wing near the tip.  The AN/APS-13 has the familiar tail mounted antenna.  If the aircraft has neither the vertical antenna under the right wing, nor the tail mounted radar, it does not have an IFF system installed.

 

I'm thinking that the battery relocation was done to allow the installation of the SCR-695-A radio suite and retention of the fuselage fuel tank, prior to the availability of the AN/APS-13 but if true, why then would the battery relocation have been standardized on later production aircraft that used the AN/APS-13 IFF; it didn't need that area behind the pilot's seat (at least according to what the illustrations in the E&R manual are showing)?

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19 hours ago, Steve Eagle said:

Planning on doing this bird at some point and needed a few things clarified.

This image might help (the only known period, color photograph of Mrs. Bonnie):

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Scanned from "War Eagles in Original Color" by Ethell & Bodie.

 

The photo was reportedly taken on Luzon, Philippines (which was never part of the CBI, so I don't know why that theater keeps coming up in this thread). 

 

HTH,

D

 

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20 hours ago, D Bellis said:

This image might help (the only known period, color photograph of Mrs. Bonnie):

QNALVGQ.jpg

Scanned from "War Eagles in Original Color" by Ethell & Bodie.

 

The photo was reportedly taken on Luzon, Philippines (which was never part of the CBI, so I don't know why that theater keeps coming up in this thread). 

 

HTH,

D

 

 

 Nice photograph.  That's one I haven't seen before.  I don't know why the CBI keeps being mentioned.  Mrs. Bonnie belonged to the 348th FG and operated, according to historyofwar.org, from New Guinea, the Dutch East Indies, and the Phillippines; definitely not part of the CBI.

 

Source: http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/USAAF/348th_Fighter_Group.html

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