LSP_K2 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Were the propellers on the A6M's that attacked pear harbor, bare metal, with the back outer surfaces painted flat black? I can find nothing definitive in my references. I'm quite sure the spinners were natural metal though. Thanks a bunch for any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) This photo purports to be the 2nd wave leaving Akagi. Blades look quite reflective. Sandbags look the same as above. The backside certainly looks quite dark, and the shadow seems to be from behind the aircraft. Gaz Edited January 15, 2020 by Gazzas daveculp, D Bellis, Uncarina and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Another one with the sun behind it. You can notice some chipping of the black paint here. BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Paintwear... BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggernut Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Yes, natural metal on the back of the pro, black on the face of the prop. in case you’re confused, the face of a prop is the part that faces the pilot, which will be painted black. The back of the prop is the camber side of the prop, which will be natural metal. BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbk57 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I have seen that there is a Japanese propeller brown. The face of the proper may have been more of a brown tone than black. That is the color I would be inclined to use. coogrfan and BiggTim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The old original Testors flat brown always looked a good match to me. BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 IIRC correctly the early zero props were silver with black back side to cut down the spinning glare for the pilot. The later ones A6m5 (?) were a red brown, probably a primer if I were to guess. BiggTim, LSP_K2 and Out2gtcha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggernut Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Juggernut said: Yes, natural metal on the back of the pro, black on the face of the prop. in case you’re confused, the face of a prop is the part that faces the pilot, which will be painted black. The back of the prop is the camber side of the prop, which will be natural metal. I need to correct my statement. According to Ryan Toews' Tamiya A6M2 Tweak List, the prop had dark brown faces, not black. Tamiya A6M2 Tweak List BiggTim, LSP_K2 and coogrfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coogrfan Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) This might be of interest: https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-japanese-wwii-mitsubishi-a6m-zero-propeller-named-usn-bring-back?variant=19400221032517 "This propeller is solid aluminum construction and is approximately 54 inches long and 10.5 inches at its widest point. One point of note is that the reverse side of the prop is painted brown. James Lansdale, a noted authority on Japanese WW2 aircraft color and markings, has started that "mid 1943 Mitsubishi started painting factory propellers brown. Prior to that, Mitsubishi painted the reverse side of the props only, and that color was brown, not black." Edited January 16, 2020 by coogrfan LSP_K2, BiggTim and Gazzas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennismcc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Looking in my Japanese Naval Air Force Camouflage and markings WW2 book under propellers and spinners it states that between 1937 and 1943 the forward faces were polished metal with two red stripes at the tip. From 1943 through 1944 the only change was to go to one large red strip near the tip. Mid 1944 to 1945 the forward face was painted in a dark colour such as red brown, dark green or black, during the entire period discussed the rear faces were finished in red brown, dark green or black. This is from the book by Donald W Thorpe so may have been superseded by newer information. I'm just building a Raiden and have used Humbrol 160 German Camo Red Brown for the prop blades though I now have some Sovereign Colourcoats ACJ23 Propeller Brown. Cheers Dennis Edited January 16, 2020 by dennismcc clarity LSP_K2, MikeMaben and coogrfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 How does that look next to the original Testors brown? Not to be pedantic, just curious. LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennismcc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, LSP_Mike said: How does that look next to the original Testors brown? Not to be pedantic, just curious. I have never seen the Testors brown but in Nick Millman's guide to Raiden colours he says that he would be looking for something like FS30108 which the Ultimate Model Paint Conversion Chart says is equivalent to Testors 1540 Brown, Humbrol 160, Xtracolor 807, with the proviso that it should be a definate brown colour. The snag was that the Humbrol 160 was matt so I had to polish it with a nail buffer the Colourcoats should be better as it is satin. Cheers Dennis LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, dennismcc said: Looking in my Japanese Naval Air Force Camouflage and markings WW2 book under propellers and spinners it states that between 1937 and 1943 the forward faces were polished metal with two red stripes at the tip. From 1943 through 1944 the only change was to go to one large red strip near the tip. Mid 1944 to 1945 the forward face was painted in a dark colour such as red brown, dark green or black, during the entire period discussed the rear faces were finished in red brown, dark green or black. This is from the book by Donald W Thorpe so may have been superseded by newer information. I'm just building a Raiden and have used Humbrol 160 German Camo Red Brown for the prop blades though I now have some Sovereign Colourcoats ACJ23 Propeller Brown. Cheers Dennis I was aware of the twin stripes, but not sure about the color, so thanks for that. In building a Doyusha A6M2 Pearl Harbor attacker, it won't be too long before I'll be painting the propellers and spinner, so this information is very handy indeed. In looking more closely at the kit instructions (something I probably should have done first), Doyusha calls for silver (natural metal/aluminum) blades with flat black rears, so I'll probably go that route. Thanks to all who helped out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Interestingly enough, the instructions call for decals (number 6) to be installed on fronts and backs of propeller blades, but only provides three such decals, so I guess I'll just mask and paint those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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