spacewolf Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Hey All Happy New Year. My question is, what color would the wiring for the cowl guns on the 109 G10 have been ? I've been looking everywhere and no joy. Cheers Vaughn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 This may already help: Thierry spacewolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, thierry laurent said: This may already help: Thierry Wow! That was 10 years ago? The cowl guns were serviced by a number of conduits. There were cables with braided mesh, which were usually "silver" (or sometimes covered with a black rubber layer) and then there were pneumatic conduits for charging the guns, and these were usually rubber hoses, which were black. Because the exposed "braided mesh" cables appear light-coloured in black-and-white photos, many interpret that light colour to mean "yellow! but it was usually silver. Braided mesh cables were used a lot in order to "screen" them against "signal interference" affecting radio equipment. See some photos here: There is a long-standing "tradition" to paint yellow every filiform object inside a German aircraft, but try as much as you can to avoid that. As usual, the "internet consensus" is the result of years and years of lazy copy-and-paste. The truth is a bit more nuanced. Radu Hardcore, RBrown, RLWP and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolf Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Thank you all so much for the replies and the comprehensive info ! Many thanks and Happy New Year !! Vaughn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvanroy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I agree most electrical wiring in Luftwaffe aircraft was surrounded by a braided sleeve. If uncovered, this sleeve was silvery-grey (metal) in color; it could also be rubberized on the outside (mainly in the engine compartment), in which case it would be black, or simply uncolorized rubber, which had a medium to dark grey color, possibly with a bit of a brownish tinge. The electrical wire inside this sleeve had a plastic jacket, which usually is either red or yellow, with yellow being most common. While usually hidden inside a braided sleeve, unsleeved wires are sometimes visible (e.g. wiring associated with the throttle, mixture and pitch control, the instrument panel, and behind the switchboard cover - the braided sleeving stops at the cover, behind the cover, the wiring is unsleeved). Bottom line: specifically for the electrical wiring associated with the MG 131, it's best to go with either black rubber, or uncolorized rubber. Also note, that as far as I'm aware, pneumatic lines for the cowl guns would only be associated with the MG 17 (used until the Bf 109G-4); the MG 131 was electromechanically cocked, and electrically fired. In case you're doing a G-10/U4 (a subvariant built exclusively built by WNF/Diana), pneumatic lines would be present for the MK 108 engine cannon, as this is pneumatically cocked. spacewolf and RBrown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Looks original , maybe some help ... Shiba, John1, Martinnfb and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolf Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Wow.. many thanks !! You guys are the greatest !! I'm doing the 1/24 Trumpy G10 and scratch building most of the missing detail. Here are a couple of pics.. Martinnfb, MikeMaben, D.B. Andrus and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vincent Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 MG131 on the 109 G10 were electrically loaded, not pneumatically so only electrical looms going to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolf Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Vincent said: MG131 on the 109 G10 were electrically loaded, not pneumatically so only electrical looms going to them Not too late to fix !! Thanks for the great help !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.H.71 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Hi Spacewolf this looks great. Did you finish your extensive project in the meantime? I have been through that same question for a conversion to F-4/Trop I recently presented in the forum. Maybe I can help you with information. Regards, Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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