Chek Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 hours ago, chuck540z3 said: Case in point: Overdone plaid or realistic, when compared to the above pic of the real deal? To me, it looks like too much lead over the wing and not enough black carbon. The heavier, lighter coloured lead deposits tended to stick to the cowling sides and blow away underwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 OK, consider these two well used warhorses: then these: and this, one of my favourite Lancaster pictures and I would suggest fairly typical of your "average" condition: Winter in Bomber County: Phartycr0c, AlanG, Stevepd and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrish Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Those are great pictures! thanks for posting. mozart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, mozart said: and this, one of my favourite Lancaster pictures and I would suggest fairly typical of your "average" condition: Thanks for posting the pics. It's also nice to see/confirm the staining on the tail from the two inner engines alanash1963 and mozart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevepd Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 12 hours ago, chuck540z3 said: Case in point: Overdone plaid or realistic, when compared to the above pic of the real deal? Cheers, Chuck I think that’s absolutely stunning and spot on. I’ve seen other builds on other aircraft and they’ve done the patchwork quilt effect and it looks very arty but not realistic, but it’s down to the modeller I suppose. alanash1963 and LSP_K2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Reference the above, I think the wings are realistically weathered but I'm not at all sure about the fuselage, the bands are just too prominent to my eye. LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Here is the back end of a Lanc, note the elevator on the left you can see the panel lines but not on the right: Jari alanash1963 and LSP_K2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, mozart said: Reference the above, I think the wings are realistically weathered but I'm not at all sure about the fuselage, the bands are just too prominent to my eye. But would the bands on the fuselage become like that if the canning effect focuses the dirt? mozart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I suggest that this Lancaster is R5727. The picture was probably taken at Dorval Airport in Montreal Canada, after it had just flown the Atlantic , August 1942 ,to become the pattern aircraft for the then National Steel Car plant at Malton Ont . In November 1942 the plant would become Victory Aircraft Limited after it was taken over by the Federal Government. This airframe had relatively few hours operationally before it was flown across the Atlantic. The exhaust staining is from the 16 hours of flight time it took to get to Montreal. All that to say, that this picture viewed without the above context, becomes an assumption that this airframe is on active service, when in reality it isnt. Understanding the airframe and its access points will always help influence weathering/ wear and tear. On the Lancaster, main fuel tank fueling points are on the top of the wing. On operational Lancaster Squadrons, typically the ground crew would be clambering over the top of the wing , with their mud soaked hob nailed boots . The fuel bowsers would be backed up close to the fueling points and fueling hoses would be drapped over the leading edge back to the fuel caps. This would lead to the wear and tear seen on operational Lancasters as well as the exhaust stains from the Merlins. It didn't take many hours to show significant staining. Also there were differences in paint quality as well as the flatness of the paint used. Early built Lancasters tended to exhibit a very flat finish, almost chalk like. Certainly later built and the Canadian built ones would not be as flat. The Canadian Lancasters (KB700 -KB999, FM100-FM229) had an almost satin like finish. The number of operations and service life would also play a part in the weathering of the chosen subject airframe. All these variables do play a role in how you attempt to recreate the finish and weathering on a large scale model , as well as any other subject one is trying to recreate. Mark AlanG, alanash1963 and Phartycr0c 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Finn said: Here is the back end of a Lanc, note the elevator on the left you can see the panel lines but not on the right: d Sun is coming from left to right. That might explain why only one elevator shows "panel lines"? A lot of what we write off to "weathering" is often just reflections or shadows. alanash1963, RLWP, mozart and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 And I think those “panel lines” is actually tape ribbing. alanash1963 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, mozart said: And I think those “panel lines” is actually tape ribbing. There's more to aeroplane construction than I thought... alanash1963 and mozart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 4:25 PM, John1 said: Sun is coming from left to right. That might explain why only one elevator shows "panel lines"? A lot of what we write off to "weathering" is often just reflections or shadows. Well said, John. I often tell neophyte modelers that, IMHO, what we call “weathering” is often shadows and light. Which is why I’m often personally happy with old-school Shep Paine wash and dry-brush techniques. Washes for the Shadows and dry-brush highlights for the Light. Not to disparage those who go to much greater lengths than that. But, to each their own as they say. jimbo alanash1963 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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