Uncarina Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Thanks Dennis! Your seat turned out great. I’m working on the seat now, and will be posting my build when I’ve made a bit more progress, but I can appreciate the work you put into yours. For the engineers panel, I am seeing conflicting information about whether the yellow gauges are above the blue or visa versa: http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/v3C6C20EF/www/products/model_kitsets/32044/archive_photos/Avro Lancaster B.Mk.1~III Flight Engineer's panel (AP2062c-03).jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lancaster_flight_engineer_WWII_IWM_CH_12289.jpg A big part of it might be interpreting black and white photos, and perhaps the panels themselves varied. What’s your take on this? Cheers, Tom Edited November 17, 2020 by Uncarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Uncarina said: For the engineers panel, I am seeing conflicting information about whether the yellow gauges are above the blue or visa versa. What’s your take on this? I imagine the engineer's panel was pretty consistent across birds, as that would be a manufactured part, and color coded to help with recognition and part of the training regimen for the bird. From the black and white photo you posted, it appears that the yellow is on top, and the blue is on the bottom, which is depicted incorrectly on the Eduard set. I won't fix mine, unless I get a real wild hare. - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Uncarina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncarina Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Dennis, no worries! The pilots notes pic sure makes the bottom dials look yellow, but I would imagine blue is more intuitive for coolant. Cheers, Tom Dennis7423 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 All- Small update today! I was able to get a day away from working on the deck and spent most of the entirety of a day off yesterday plugging away on the Lancaster at the bench. As I move closer to closing up the fuselage, I had to endure the painstaking process of adding all of those fuselage side windows. Because Phantom is an early Lancaster, and I plan to depict her during her early career, she had the fuselage windows proper and not painted over. And there's lots of them! Fortunately, HK's windows fit beautifully, and they even have a small ledge/edge to them on the interior to aid with painting them. Thanks, HK! As I have been thinking about the kit over the past few weeks, and looking at the small size of the fuselage windows, I elected not to super-detail the remainder of the interior past the radio operator's station, aside from what is already provided in the kit. You just can't see much inside, even with the windows exposed, so I decided to save myself the trouble and threw in the towel. It's good to know your limits, right? I did however want to detail everything forward of that, which included running lots of wires from various systems inside the forward fuselage. HK does a mix of providing parts with the connectors attached, while photographs helped in wiring other systems. For folks who want to wire the inside of their aircraft, I highly, highly recommend various gauges of lead solder/wire. It's so easy to work with, responds well to paint and super glue, and you can get it in lots of different sizes. I found a pack on eBay a while back for about $40 that has six different gauges of lead wire, all on their own separate spools. Enough to last a long, long time! Drill a little hole, super glue it in, and then run your wires, bundle, etc. I can't speak to extreme accuracy here, but I wanted to liven up the forward fuselage and make it look a little busier: I also added a few more of the resin parachutes that I molded, and added the Eduard interior photoetch set. In the top photo, I have not painted the ledge around that fuselage's windows yet. Only enough time this morning for one side before work! The bottom photo shows them painted. You'll also notice that I blocked in and added some detail to the wing root area... which, after looking through the side windows, was a complete waste of time. I will not be giving the other side the same treatment. I'd rather save my Evergreen stock! I have completed the bomb aimer's station as well. Man, black painted areas aren't too keen on photography! All I added here was the pad on the floor and the support rods for the control panel, and modified the kit parts for the others, which included the bomb site truss. I will likely add a few decals to the console to give it a little bit more life. That's all for today. Here's to hoping that my next update shows the fuselage all sealed up, and work starting on some of the other parts of the kit. As always, comments and critiques are most welcome! Thanks for tuning in! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA KiwiZac, LSP_Kevin, Victor K2 and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncarina Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Dennis, That’s a big update! It’s great to see her come together, and I like the wiring a lot. It really makes a difference. For the pad at the bombers position, it’s covering the parachute exit escape hatch. Was this something the bomb aimer would just place loosely? Cheers, Tom Dennis7423 and Rockie Yarwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Uncarina said: For the pad at the bombers position, it’s covering the parachute exit escape hatch. Was this something the bomb aimer would just place loosely? Tom- Yes, you are correct. It was often just a loose pad that they took inside the plane, similar to a couch cushion. I've seen a few birds with it applied, so I decided to add one to mine. Historically accurate to Phantom? Who knows! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Uncarina and Rockie Yarwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 All- Milestone day! I was able to get the fuselage sealed this past weekend. Even with the mods and scratch building, most everything fit like a glove. Some parts needed a little coaxing, but that was all my fault. Had I not added a bunch to it, it likely would have sealed up just fine. However, I am very happy with the progress! Next up, working on the wings, while picking away at the remaining fuselage bits and bobs. Trying to sort out exactly how to fix the landing light issue, as I had already begun some wing construction prior to learning about the faux-pa HK did with the landing lights. - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Alex, Greg W, Anthony in NZ and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncarina Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Great work Dennis! Cheers, Tom Dennis7423 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahman104 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Well done Dennis! The fuselage seam line looks super neat! I have yet to reach this milestone on my B-17, but I doubt it's going to look as good as this does all together Craig Dennis7423 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, brahman104 said: I have yet to reach this milestone on my B-17, but I doubt it's going to look as good as this does all together Craig- The B-17 was a piece of cake! When I bonded mine together, I ended up thinning the "ledge" the turtle deck sits on, on the fuselage sides. That allowed the turtle deck to fit almost flawlessly. I highly recommend it! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahman104 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dennis7423 said: Craig- The B-17 was a piece of cake! When I bonded mine together, I ended up thinning the "ledge" the turtle deck sits on, on the fuselage sides. That allowed the turtle deck to fit almost flawlessly. I highly recommend it! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Thanks mate, I appreciate the tip, however in my particular B-17's case I'm not entirely sure it's going to be that easy..... https://imgur.com/IfDQ01u In any case, yours is looking great! Edited December 23, 2020 by brahman104 Rockie Yarwood and Dennis7423 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe of Blighty Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Hi Dennis I’m so pleased to have found your WIP and see it unfold; I find it so helpful to have the inaccuracies noted and fixed and look forward to next stage. Can you explain in a little more detail, the faux-pa that HK did with the landing lights? Cheers Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lund Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Ohhh how nice I have the kit in my stash, but every time I open the box I get performance anxeity... The BBMF Lancaster visited our local airfield back in 2011 and I went to see it with my dad. It was painted as Phantom of the Ruhr, although it had less mission markings than your picture. The funny bit to me was that I asked the crew about the different mission markings - yellow, red and Ice cones... the answer was that the yellow was over occupied country, red over germany and Ice Cones... was Italy '' I have a few detail pictures - as far as I was allowed to poke my head inside and a little of the bomb bay - let me know if you need it Glorious sound as it took off... Greg W and Landrotten Highlander 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 13 hours ago, brahman104 said: Thanks mate, I appreciate the tip, however in my particular B-17's case I'm not entirely sure it's going to be that easy..... Oh you got this! It can be just as easy Thanks for the encouragement! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Joe of Blighty said: Can you explain in a little more detail, the faux-pa that HK did with the landing lights? Joe- Here's what the landing lights look like in the kit: Just two scribed circles on the bottom of the wing. To boot, they put them on both sides! In reality, they were only on the port (pilot) side of the aircraft, and they folded out of the wing when the landing gear were extended/retracted. It's tricky because the wing is molded as one piece, so it's not as simple as drilling them out and attaching something from the other side. The logic is it's that easy, but working in such a tight space makes it very tricky. It's easier if you don't install the plastic riser into the outermost engine nacelle, but alas, I had already installed mine when I learned of the error. So, I'm looking for another way to solve it! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Greg W, Uncarina, Victor K2 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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