LSP_Ron Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Thankfully nobody hurt https://ca.yahoo.com/news/no-one-hurt-canadian-acrobatic-181901535.html D.B. Andrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Jennings Heilig said: Hard to imagine they’re still flying those ancient Tudors. Pretty much exactly what I've been thinking for the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) Might be the end of the Tutors. Edited October 14, 2019 by John1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainis Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 As someone who witnessed the horrific crash of the Snowbirds at the Toronto Air Show in 1989, I wonder what the thinking of the Canadian Forces is to continue keeping the Tutors in active service. I was very happy to hear the pilot in Georgia successfully ejected. But there really has to be a serious consideration and money applied to replace what is now an antique fleet for the safety of the pilots. Team demonstration flying is hazardous enough already. Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 18 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said: Hard to imagine they’re still flying those ancient Tutors. Insert huge facepalm here “_________” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said: Why? The airplanes are over 50 (closer to 60) years old. The Snowbirds have the only flying Tutors in the world. At some point it becomes more of a hazard than a good idea. I would also think the training and logistical costs would be extremely excessive. It’s not like you can pull Tutor-certified avionics, airframe, electrical maintenance techs from the main force and assign them to the Snowbirds. You have to train them from scratch just to support this one unit. Plus, it must be a bear to find the required spare parts. Kinda like the Blue Angles still flying A-4’s in 2019. Heck the USN can barely keep it’s Superhornets airworthy, I shudder to think how’d they be able to keep a unit full of antiques flying at peak performance. Edited October 15, 2019 by John1 Jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, John1 said: Kinda like the Blue Angles still flying A-4’s in 2019. Heck the USN can barely keep it’s Superhornets airworthy, I shudder to think how’d they be able to keep a unit full of antiques flying at peak performance. That being said the A-4's would still perform a splendid display, considering the fact IMHO that they were of a different breed than the Tudor, no disrespect intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Jack said: That being said the A-4's would still perform a splendid display, considering the fact IMHO that they were of a different breed than the Tudor, no disrespect intended. Agreed. I still remember seeing the Blues fly one of their last A-4 flights as a kid. It was awesome and, no disrespect to the current teams, I thought it was much better than the Hornet shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ray Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I saw the Snowbirds perform at the Reno Air Races several years ago - amazing display! Don't know about the age of planes, but they looked pretty good back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said: Why? The airplanes are over 50 (closer to 60) years old. The Snowbirds have the only flying Tutors in the world. At some point it becomes more of a hazard than a good idea. As someone who regularly flys a 40 year old jet; without the benefit of military funded maintenance, I find comments like this amusing. Having interacted with the Snowbirds, I can tell you that these jets are meticulously maintained. Clearly they have the spares, support equipment, and infrastructure in place to operate these jets safety on a very public stage. Accidents happen. This is a single-engine jet- but to infer that this episode was somehow related to the age of the aircraft while the wreckage is still smoking is unfair and unfortunate. BTW, There are more Tutors in the CAF inventory than Hawks. P Edited October 15, 2019 by Pete Fleischmann Jack, Bravo52, R Palimaka and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Glad the pilot is ok. As for tutors, well yes they are old but i saw them again this summer and they are in great shape. I would love to see them flying the hawk. And since its also a single engine subsonic small jet im sure the transition would be less harsh then lets say hornets. That being said im sure the snowbirds tutor and in better shape than most cf-18! Adding to the last point that the Hawks that we have in canada are not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnie Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Jennings, I think the Snowbirds have access to more than 140 airframes at last count, so they pick and choose airframes and parts. I imagine Pete Fleischmann was talking of the L-39 and not the 737, as I strongly doubt there are any mainline airlines that fly any airframes that old. I DO know some 3rd tier airlines that do, but not 1st. Cheers Harald, who regularly flies a 40 year old Bell 212. (used to anyway...) R Palimaka and Pete Fleischmann 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Winnie said: Jennings, I think the Snowbirds have access to more than 140 airframes at last count, so they pick and choose airframes and parts. I imagine Pete Fleischmann was talking of the L-39 and not the 737, as I strongly doubt there are any mainline airlines that fly any airframes that old. I DO know some 3rd tier airlines that do, but not 1st. Cheers Harald, who regularly flies a 40 year old Bell 212. (used to anyway...) Correct Harald- I was in fact talking about the L-39. (and I am an Airbus Captain BTW Jennings. Never flown a 737..but I do have type ratings in the 757,767, and 777) ..and I would agree that a 40 year old Tutor is different from a 40 year old 737. The Tutor is a simpler aircraft with less complex systems and architecture, with less required support equipment, therefore easier to maintain.. but what do I know- cheers Pete Edited October 16, 2019 by Pete Fleischmann D Bellis, Lothar, Winnie and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ray Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 ...And how old are the B-52 airframes??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ron Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, LSP_Ray said: ...And how old are the B-52 airframes??? Very good point, they just brought one out of storage last May for upgrading and service. It was built in 1960 and has thousands of flight hours and will be 60 years old when entering service again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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