Sunday Puncher Tonk Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 ....Hello everyone...a newbie to the forum,I come groveling with tail tucked between legs seeking advice and assistance on my first 1/32 scale Trumpeter A6-A after getting back into modeling after 20 plus years...things have changed a LOT since hen I see...I've looked all over the internet and cannot find a definitive technique or answer for my dilemma.... ....all has gone fairly well in assembly and painting...learned-and re-learned a LOT...decals successfully applied after a clear coat of floor wax and looks great,and now apprehensively dipping my toes into the panel line/pinwash proceedure....I have airbrushed the A6 in enamel paint,and from what I understand,after applying clear coat/'varnish' I brush on the wash...dry a bit-then wipe off with water in desired areas with paper towels or swabs....I have attempted one of the pylons on the inboard side,so that if I screw up it wont be as visible....well my pessimism was rewarded...seems I am getting the whole damn turing turning greyish besides the details and cannot seem to get it off where not desired...I'm using Vallejo water based black wash which supposedly will come off-and it isnt.....did I not put enough clear coat over the top???....is my paint job lousy/too 'rough'???....airbrush another coat of varnish???....at this point I really dont want to even try the rest of the model and blow what is coming along great .....cant seem to find a specific tutorial/answer anywhere.....so here I am requesting guidance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Well, vallejo is water based, I think? Maybe you get more luck with oil based washes. Sunday Puncher Tonk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelingbob Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I don't know exactly what Vallejo water based wash you're using, but my bottles of Vallejo water based washes, are not removable once they dry. You must "work" them to your desired effect before they dry. Sunday Puncher Tonk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Puncher Tonk Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 ...thank you for the replies...the bottle says vallejo model wash black for dark vehicles...I was mainly hoping to darken some panel lines and rivets...videos I have seen show it being brushed all over the model,left a bit to dry,then rubbed/wiped off where desired to achieve effects (after application of a "varnish" or pledge gloss coat)...thats not quite how it worked on my test pieces ....I understand that its supposedly a water based wash over enamel paint-and vice versa???....it goes beautifully into the rivets and panel lines but any excess outside leaves splotches that dont come off no matter what I've tried....and its practically impossible to do thousands of tiny individual rivets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelingbob Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 This is the Vallejo wash I have. And I can not remove it once it has dried. So, I apply it where needed, and immediately clean it up where needed before it dries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgem37 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 So, this is a stain. Good to know. Sincerely, Mark Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) That stuff may have its place, but as a wash I think not. The best wash solution I have found is the Tamiya Panel Liners. You will get a bunch of other opinions I'm sure, but it is easy to work with and remove over a GLOSS surface. All of this is done with this product, you apply and then gently clean up around your details with paint thinner or white spirits. In fact I use the wash before any detail painting has started to set the edges of the detail and then paint to the hard edge it creates. Ammo box by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr Red Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr Red Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr image by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr image by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr Ryan Edited June 10, 2019 by Ryan Sunday Puncher Tonk and Out2gtcha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I have switched over fully (airbrush wise) to MRP acrylic lacquers, but prior to that I used enamels exclusively. I too found the Vallejo wash to be roughly a "stain" and not a removable wash. As I noted with most things, when you use enamel paint you *should* be able to use a water/clay based wash on it, and have it come off, but I found with the Vallejo stuff, I found that not to be true in most cases. For enamel paint I have found that either the clay/water based Flory Models washes line or the water based Ultimate Weathering Washes from UMP (Ultimate Modelling Products) work best, and can be left to dry on a fairly glossy surface, and can be removed later without too much difficulty. For a wash 18 minutes ago, Ryan said: That stuff may have its place, but as a wash I think not. The best wash solution I have found is the Tamiya Panel Liners. You will get a bunch of other opinions I'm sure, but it is easy to work with and remove over a GLOSS surface. ....................you apply and then gently clean up around your details with paint thinner or white spirits. Ive had bad, bad luck using the enamel Tamiya washes over any kind of enamel paint like OP has used to paint his model. It can be done, as long as you use an acrylic or other clear to protect the enamel paint, but me personally I would not recommend using an enamel based wash over an enamel paint, no matter the clear, as to me that is just asking for trouble. Bill_S and Sunday Puncher Tonk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Of course you are right Brian, and I was not clear on my post above. All of my washes are applied over a acrylic gloss coat regardless off the base under coat underneath. Currently I use Vallejo Gloss or Alclad Gloss to seal the base. Ryan Out2gtcha and Sunday Puncher Tonk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ryan said: Of course you are right Brian, and I was not clear on my post above. All of my washes are applied over a acrylic gloss coat regardless off the base under coat underneath. Currently I use Vallejo Gloss or Alclad Gloss to seal the base. Ryan Ah! Ok that makes much more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Puncher Tonk Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Ryan said: That stuff may have its place, but as a wash I think not. The best wash solution I have found is the Tamiya Panel Liners. You will get a bunch of other opinions I'm sure, but it is easy to work with and remove over a GLOSS surface. All of this is done with this product, you apply and then gently clean up around your details with paint thinner or white spirits. In fact I use the wash before any detail painting has started to set the edges of the detail and then paint to the hard edge it creates. Ammo box by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr Red Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr Red Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr image by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr image by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr Ryan ....thank you!....this is exactly the info I've been trying to find!...I had no success finding anyone with the Tamiya panel liner in stock anywhere-at least in the shade I needed,,,I did however find some AK Interactive paneliner and tried it for the first time last nighjt,and it works great!....now I dont know what to do with the Vallejo wash...hee heeeee ......nice work by the way! Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Just make 100% sure you clear your enamel paint with an acrylic clear to prevent the Tamiya panel line accent from destroying your paint Sunday Puncher Tonk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Out2gtcha said: Just make 100% sure you clear your enamel paint with an acrylic clear to prevent the Tamiya panel line accent from destroying your paint Times 10! Out2gtcha and Sunday Puncher Tonk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Tamiya have (5) that I know of. Black Brown Dark Brown Grey Dark Grey Sunday Puncher Tonk and Out2gtcha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I have to admit, the Tamiya panel line washes work really nicely over acrylic. I used their dark brown here over MRP acrylic lacquer and it was nice and thin, and came off easy-peasy with a tiny amount of generic mineral spirits from Ace hardware. Super easy, and very nice to work with, and if dry, it mostly comes off where you need it to (IE low lying areas like rivets and panel lines) Gazzas and Sunday Puncher Tonk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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