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....Hello everyone...a newbie to the forum,I come groveling with tail tucked between legs seeking advice and assistance on my first 1/32 scale Trumpeter A6-A after getting back into modeling after 20 plus years...things have changed a LOT since hen I see:o...I've looked all over the internet and cannot find a definitive technique or answer for my dilemma....:blush:

....all has gone fairly well in assembly and painting...learned-and re-learned a LOT...decals successfully applied after a clear coat of floor wax and looks great,and now apprehensively dipping my toes into the panel line/pinwash proceedure....I have airbrushed the A6 in enamel paint,and from what I understand,after applying clear coat/'varnish' I brush on the wash...dry  a bit-then wipe off with water in desired areas with paper towels or swabs....I have attempted one of the pylons on the inboard side,so that if I screw up it wont be as visible....well my pessimism was rewarded...seems I am getting the whole damn turing turning greyish besides the details and cannot seem to get it off where not desired...I'm using Vallejo water based black wash which supposedly will come off-and it isnt:blush:.....did I not put enough clear coat over the top???....is my paint job lousy/too 'rough'???....airbrush another coat of varnish???....at this point I really dont want to even try the rest of the model and blow what is coming along great

.....cant seem to find a specific tutorial/answer anywhere.....so here I am requesting guidance...:rolleyes::D

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I don't know exactly what Vallejo water based wash you're using, but my bottles of Vallejo water based washes, are not removable once they dry. You must "work" them to your desired effect before they dry. 

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...thank you for the replies...the bottle says vallejo model wash black for dark vehicles...I was mainly hoping to darken some panel lines and rivets...videos I have seen show it being brushed all over the model,left a bit to dry,then rubbed/wiped off where desired to achieve effects (after application of a "varnish" or pledge gloss coat)...thats not quite how it worked on my test pieces:blush:

....I understand that its supposedly a water based wash over enamel paint-and vice versa???....it goes beautifully into the rivets and panel lines but any excess outside leaves splotches that dont come off no matter what I've tried....and its practically impossible to do thousands of tiny individual rivets:BANGHEAD2::lol:

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This is the Vallejo wash I have. And I can not remove it once it has dried. So, I apply it where needed, and immediately clean it up where needed before it dries. 

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That stuff may have its place, but as a wash I think not.

 

The best wash solution I have found is the Tamiya Panel Liners. You will get a bunch of other opinions I'm sure, but it is easy to work with and remove over a GLOSS surface.

 

All of this is done with this product, you apply and then gently clean up around your details with paint thinner or white spirits.

 

In fact I use the wash before any detail painting has started to set the edges of the detail and then paint to the hard edge it creates.

 

41136398362_3b13c2b0b3_b.jpgAmmo box by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

33252412588_0515cde9db_b.jpgRed Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

32185673107_3d0357f163_b.jpgRed Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

17315901912_4720cfbd73_b.jpgimage by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

15432572442_7b6f61fa1e_b.jpgimage by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

Ryan

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I have switched over fully (airbrush wise) to MRP acrylic lacquers, but prior to that I used enamels exclusively.   I too found the Vallejo wash to be roughly a "stain" and not a removable wash.

As I noted with most things, when you use enamel paint you *should* be able to use a water/clay based wash on it, and have it come off, but I found with the Vallejo stuff, I found that not to be true in most cases.

 

For enamel paint I have found that either the clay/water based Flory Models washes line or the water based Ultimate Weathering Washes from  UMP (Ultimate Modelling Products) work best, and can be left to dry on a fairly glossy surface, and can be removed later without too much difficulty. 

 

 

 

For a wash 

18 minutes ago, Ryan said:

That stuff may have its place, but as a wash I think not.

 

The best wash solution I have found is the Tamiya Panel Liners. You will get a bunch of other opinions I'm sure, but it is easy to work with and remove over a GLOSS surface.

 

....................you apply and then gently clean up around your details with paint thinner or white spirits.

 

 

Ive had bad, bad luck using the enamel Tamiya washes over any kind of enamel paint like OP has used to paint his model. It can be done, as long as you use an acrylic or other clear to protect the enamel paint,  but me personally I would not recommend using an enamel based wash over an enamel paint, no matter the clear, as to me that is just asking for trouble. 

 

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Of course you are right Brian, and I was not clear on my post above.

 

All of my washes are applied over a acrylic gloss coat regardless off the base under coat underneath.

 

Currently I use Vallejo Gloss or Alclad Gloss to seal the base.

 

Ryan

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2 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Of course you are right Brian, and I was not clear on my post above.

 

All of my washes are applied over a acrylic gloss coat regardless off the base under coat underneath.

 

Currently I use Vallejo Gloss or Alclad Gloss to seal the base.

 

Ryan

 

 

Ah! Ok that makes much more sense. 

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3 hours ago, Ryan said:

That stuff may have its place, but as a wash I think not.

 

The best wash solution I have found is the Tamiya Panel Liners. You will get a bunch of other opinions I'm sure, but it is easy to work with and remove over a GLOSS surface.

 

All of this is done with this product, you apply and then gently clean up around your details with paint thinner or white spirits.

 

In fact I use the wash before any detail painting has started to set the edges of the detail and then paint to the hard edge it creates.

 

41136398362_3b13c2b0b3_b.jpgAmmo box by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

33252412588_0515cde9db_b.jpgRed Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

32185673107_3d0357f163_b.jpgRed Baron by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

17315901912_4720cfbd73_b.jpgimage by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

15432572442_7b6f61fa1e_b.jpgimage by The 3rd Placer, on Flickr

 

Ryan

....thank you!....this is exactly the info I've been trying to find!...I had no success finding anyone with the Tamiya panel liner in stock anywhere-at least in the shade I needed,,,I did however find some AK Interactive paneliner and tried it for the first time last nighjt,and it works great!....now I dont know what to do with the Vallejo wash...hee heeeee

......nice work by the way!

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19 minutes ago, Out2gtcha said:

Just make 100% sure you clear your enamel paint with an acrylic clear to prevent the Tamiya panel line accent from destroying your paint

 

Times 10!

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I have to admit, the Tamiya panel line washes work really nicely over acrylic. I used their dark brown here over MRP acrylic lacquer and it was nice and thin, and came off easy-peasy with a tiny amount of generic mineral spirits from Ace hardware.  Super easy, and very nice to work with, and if dry, it mostly comes off where you need it to (IE low lying areas like rivets and panel lines)

 

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