Pete Fleischmann Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Zorro said: The Crew Chief is not a rated crew member in the US Air Force. The Flight Engineer is the rated crew member - one of his many duties is to operate the hoist. Rated? To me as an Air Force pilot, (F-16 driver..12 years) “rated” means an officer with a pair of pilot or navigator wings on the chest- I could be wrong, but I don’t believe any enlisted Crewmembers in the USAF are “rated”. Rated USAF Thanks for the Crewchief vs. Flight Engineer correction! Appreciate that- I hate to get stuff like that wrong cheers Pete Edited September 30, 2022 by Pete Fleischmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Pete Fleischmann said: Rated? To me as an Air Force pilot, (F-16 driver..12 years) “rated” means an officer with a pair of pilot or navigator wings on the chest- I could be wrong, but I don’t believe any enlisted Crewmembers in the USAF are “rated”. Rated USAF Thanks for the Crewchief vs. Flight Engineer correction! Appreciate that- I hate to get stuff like that wrong cheers Pete As a pilot of non-crew weapon system I understand that you were not aware of rated enlisted crew members. Do not take my word for it, look up the AFI. Edited September 30, 2022 by LSP_Kevin Fixed nested quotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Zorro said: As a pilot of non-crew weapon system I understand that you were not aware of rated enlisted crew members. Do not take my word for it, look up the AFI. Hi Zorro, Which AFI are you referencing? can you show me a link? If it’s AFI11-412, I’ve linked it here: Click me Could be semantics; but I can’t find anything that tells me that enlisted Crewmembers can receive an aeronautical rating in the USAF, which is what the term “rated” means. Can I ask what you did in the USAF? this is CH1 para 1.2 from AFI11-412 1.2. Aircrew Member. AFPD 11-4 is the source document for defining “aircrew”. Pilots, CSOs, ABMs, RPA Pilots, and Flight Surgeons are rated officer aircrew members. Enlisted members holding AFSC 1AXXX and 1UXXX are considered Career Enlisted Aviators. Some officer and enlisted aircrew members (e.g., 46F Flight Nurse; 4N0X1 Aerospace Medical Services Specialist; 1N5X1 Airborne Intel Technician) are non-career aviators, and are referred to as non-rated aviators in this AFI. A list of all non-career aviators can be found in the Air Force Officer Classification Directory and the Air Force Enlisted Classification Directory. and here is AFPD 11-4 referenced above: Click me here’s an excerpt from AFPD 11-4: The term “aircrew” as used in this directive and applicable for all implementing publications, indicates personnel responsible for the safe ground and flight operation of the aircraft and onboard systems, or for airborne duties essential to accomplishment of the aircraft’s mission. It includes the total complement of rated (pilots (manned/unmanned), navigators, combat systems operators, air battle managers, and flight surgeons), as well as career enlisted aviators (1AXXX/1UXXX Air Force Specialty Codes), and nonrated aircrew (K-, Q-, or X-prefixed Air Force Specialty Codes). Members in initial formal training for immediate assignment to an authorized operational flying position are also included. Individuals must be on aeronautical orders and assigned to an authorized position according to Air Force Instruction 65-503, US Air Force Cost and Planning Factors, or be nonrated aircrew not in an aircraft’s basic crew complement, but required for the mission. cheers Pete Edited September 30, 2022 by Pete Fleischmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 hours ago, Pete Fleischmann said: Hi Zorro, Which AFI are you referencing? can you show me a link? If it’s AFI11-412, I’ve linked it here: Click me Could be semantics; but I can’t find anything that tells me that enlisted Crewmembers can receive an aeronautical rating in the USAF, which is what the term “rated” means. Can I ask what you did in the USAF? this is CH1 para 1.2 from AFI11-412 1.2. Aircrew Member. AFPD 11-4 is the source document for defining “aircrew”. Pilots, CSOs, ABMs, RPA Pilots, and Flight Surgeons are rated officer aircrew members. Enlisted members holding AFSC 1AXXX and 1UXXX are considered Career Enlisted Aviators. Some officer and enlisted aircrew members (e.g., 46F Flight Nurse; 4N0X1 Aerospace Medical Services Specialist; 1N5X1 Airborne Intel Technician) are non-career aviators, and are referred to as non-rated aviators in this AFI. A list of all non-career aviators can be found in the Air Force Officer Classification Directory and the Air Force Enlisted Classification Directory. and here is AFPD 11-4 referenced above: Click me here’s an excerpt from AFPD 11-4: The term “aircrew” as used in this directive and applicable for all implementing publications, indicates personnel responsible for the safe ground and flight operation of the aircraft and onboard systems, or for airborne duties essential to accomplishment of the aircraft’s mission. It includes the total complement of rated (pilots (manned/unmanned), navigators, combat systems operators, air battle managers, and flight surgeons), as well as career enlisted aviators (1AXXX/1UXXX Air Force Specialty Codes), and nonrated aircrew (K-, Q-, or X-prefixed Air Force Specialty Codes). Members in initial formal training for immediate assignment to an authorized operational flying position are also included. Individuals must be on aeronautical orders and assigned to an authorized position according to Air Force Instruction 65-503, US Air Force Cost and Planning Factors, or be nonrated aircrew not in an aircraft’s basic crew complement, but required for the mission. cheers Pete Pete, You were close. AFMAN 11-402 is the guidance for the management of rated, career enlisted aviator, non-rated officers, and non-career enlisted aircrew members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Zorro said: Pete, You were close. AFMAN 11-402 is the guidance for the management of rated, career enlisted aviator, non-rated officers, and non-career enlisted aircrew members. You are correct Table 4.1 lists Pilots thru Flight Surgeon only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Zorro said: You are correct Table 4.1 lists Pilots thru Flight Surgeon only.... The new merger of Flight Engineers (FE) and Aerial Gunners (AG) are all under one "1A9X1 Enlisted Rating." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Pete Fleischmann said: Hi Zorro, Which AFI are you referencing? can you show me a link? If it’s AFI11-412, I’ve linked it here: Click me Could be semantics; but I can’t find anything that tells me that enlisted Crewmembers can receive an aeronautical rating in the USAF, which is what the term “rated” means. Can I ask what you did in the USAF? this is CH1 para 1.2 from AFI11-412 1.2. Aircrew Member. AFPD 11-4 is the source document for defining “aircrew”. Pilots, CSOs, ABMs, RPA Pilots, and Flight Surgeons are rated officer aircrew members. Enlisted members holding AFSC 1AXXX and 1UXXX are considered Career Enlisted Aviators. Some officer and enlisted aircrew members (e.g., 46F Flight Nurse; 4N0X1 Aerospace Medical Services Specialist; 1N5X1 Airborne Intel Technician) are non-career aviators, and are referred to as non-rated aviators in this AFI. A list of all non-career aviators can be found in the Air Force Officer Classification Directory and the Air Force Enlisted Classification Directory. and here is AFPD 11-4 referenced above: Click me here’s an excerpt from AFPD 11-4: The term “aircrew” as used in this directive and applicable for all implementing publications, indicates personnel responsible for the safe ground and flight operation of the aircraft and onboard systems, or for airborne duties essential to accomplishment of the aircraft’s mission. It includes the total complement of rated (pilots (manned/unmanned), navigators, combat systems operators, air battle managers, and flight surgeons), as well as career enlisted aviators (1AXXX/1UXXX Air Force Specialty Codes), and nonrated aircrew (K-, Q-, or X-prefixed Air Force Specialty Codes). Members in initial formal training for immediate assignment to an authorized operational flying position are also included. Individuals must be on aeronautical orders and assigned to an authorized position according to Air Force Instruction 65-503, US Air Force Cost and Planning Factors, or be nonrated aircrew not in an aircraft’s basic crew complement, but required for the mission. cheers Pete I stand corrected. I contacted Stan-Eval at the 301st Rescue Squadron today - IAW the AFMAN all enlisted aircrew are "non-rated." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy! Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 So are the figures painted correctly or not? Oldbaldguy, Peter Greengrass, chuck540z3 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbaldguy Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I am forever amazed at the things we talk about on this site and I mean this in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Timmy! said: So are the figures painted correctly or not? you win the internet today Timmy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 On 4/25/2019 at 9:11 AM, Pete Fleischmann said: Hello all- been busy painting the Live Resin (and other) figures for the upcoming Kitty Hawk HH-60G Pavehawk. I’d like to get the figures done before the kit is released so I can simply concentrate on the kit once it is out- more to follow- Pete Pete, Yesterday was Day 1 of my MH-60G Pave Hawk II build. I also started with the figures first. Today I added my first Pararescueman and created a home made stand to hold them as I assemble them and later paint them. Your build of the HH-60G has motivated me to remove the dust from all the boxes and build a studio to finally begin my first build in many years. Zorro Out2gtcha and Pete Fleischmann 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkwrench Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Good Luck Zorro. Pete set the bar REALLY HIGH with this build!!! Tim Pete Fleischmann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 10/2/2022 at 6:03 PM, Zorro said: Pete, Yesterday was Day 1 of my MH-60G Pave Hawk II build. I also started with the figures first. Today I added my first Pararescueman and created a home made stand to hold them as I assemble them and later paint them. Your build of the HH-60G has motivated me to remove the dust from all the boxes and build a studio to finally begin my first build in many years. Zorro Outstanding. Will be cheering you on! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Feet Jumper Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I know that I’m late to your party but your figures are amazing. Especially for someone who’s not a “figure” painter. I was a combat rescue medic in the USAF in the 80’s. I have ZERO recollection of the interior of the dustoffs I was on. Your detail is so impressive. I’ve just recently started building models that have 1/35 scale figures. I’ve read books, posts and watched videos. To say mine look like they’ve been blown up and put back together is an understatement. Pete Fleischmann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fleischmann Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 On 1/16/2024 at 11:37 AM, Green Feet Jumper said: I know that I’m late to your party but your figures are amazing. Especially for someone who’s not a “figure” painter. I was a combat rescue medic in the USAF in the 80’s. I have ZERO recollection of the interior of the dustoffs I was on. Your detail is so impressive. I’ve just recently started building models that have 1/35 scale figures. I’ve read books, posts and watched videos. To say mine look like they’ve been blown up and put back together is an understatement. Thanks for the kind words! Would love to see what you’ve got on the bench! any time in the Pave Low? cheers Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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