Guest Vincent Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Removed contribution Edited February 2, 2019 by Vincent/MDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Vincent/MDC said: I've seen the thinning ratios and solvents documented delivered to the finnish airforce when they purchased RLM65, 74, 75 and 76 from Germany through Pori RLM02, RLM65, RLM76 and RLM78 were priming/camo combos, the other colors were coloring only but for one given class of paint, the thinning was the same. Sachtleben Chemie, a German chemical company is affiliated with Pori, I believe. Connecting the dots. I've don't recall reading that 65, 76 and 78 were the priming/camouflage combos, only 02 and other colors were not. Makes perfect sense, though. My fog is clearing somewhat, thanks for that. Cheers, D.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 There is a new large book in the works that will have a much new information that will answer a lot of questions about late war colors. One is that the late war light green and was a separate color than RLM 76 light blue and sometimes was used along side of 76 . In addition there are a lot of samples of light green that was painted over 76. There are still a lot of unanswered questions but there will lots of break through data. Cheers, Jerry BiggTim, anj4de, MikeMaben and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thanks, Jerry! Can you give a time frame on publication? Some of us aren't getting any younger. Cheers, D.B. Alburymodeler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vincent/MDC said: Are you serious ? If you look at the production stats for the Me109, you'll see that there wasn't a real problem with production of the a/c. There was a terrible problem with putting pilots and fuel inside the newly constructed machines but i've yet to find a wartime document stressing how the paint situation is slowing down production. If you have such a document, i'd be happy that you share it with us In fact, the opposite was found out by the allies as they overan Germany : they were kinda shocked how relatively unaffected the production was. What was affected big time was the delivery of machines to the units and that had nothing to do with paint. There is one exception and it's the dispersed production of Me-262 and He162. There was a paint challenge as the supply chain was a bit off the normal track but even with the 262 it was a short term thing. Vincents post is spot on. The lack of aircraft wasn't a problem at the end of the war, it was the lack of fuel to put into them and the skilled pilots to fly them. Mark Proulx Edited January 11, 2019 by Mark P D.B. Andrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) The total weight for the camouflage paint on a Fw 190 was 4.4 pounds. Cheers, Jerry Edited January 11, 2019 by Jerry Crandall Gazzas, D.B. Andrus and BiggTim 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigor Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Very cool about the book Jerry. Now what about that. Blue that's stirring every thing up hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vincent Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Removed contribution Edited February 2, 2019 by Vincent/MDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Sorry but the light green is a separate color .PPG paint company did a scientific analysis of NASM's He 219 top color that has light green cross hatch design over the dark gray and produced a beautiful set of color chips and the one in question is a clear light yellow green. Ask Brett Green he was there and got a chip also. A couple of other examples are Leo Klatt's D-9 o 14./JG 26 recovered in 1997 had on the under surfaces originally 76 and was over painted in light green . Another was Werner Zech's "Black 8" W.Nr. 211028 had the under surface color light green over painted 76 light blue. These are not my words but the recovery team's. We have a lot of samples of this light green. One of them is a small oval panel from a JG 6 A-8 that was original 76 and over painted with light green. You can see some of these in my book along with the compass that is painted in original RLM 02. By the way I'm not the author of this new big book. Cheers, Jerry BiggTim, D.B. Andrus, LSP_K2 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The paste idea makes sense. If it worked for tanks, it ought to work for planes. I also consider the life-time of a 1944 plane would be shorter than a 1941 plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Jerry Crandall said: The total weight for the camouflage paint on a Fw 190 was 4.4 pounds. Cheers, Jerry A gallon of paint weighs approximately 10 lbs. This doesn’t seem correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, John1 said: A gallon of paint weighs approximately 10 lbs. This doesn’t seem correct. That 10 lbs includes the solvents that will evaporate away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, RBrown said: That 10 lbs includes the solvents that will evaporate away. Yeah, I’m aware of that but 4.4 lbs to completely cover an aircraft still seems low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The source is the Fw 190 A-8 manual Technical description No.284 dated8 September, 1944 Cheers, Jerry BiggTim and D.B. Andrus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) For those interested here is an extract from the document cited by Mr. Crandall, documenting the weight of the Fw 190 A-8. The entry for paint (Farbanstrich) is highlighted with a listed weight of 2.0 kilograms or 4.4 pounds The complete document can be found here. Edited January 12, 2019 by RBrown D.B. Andrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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