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Eduard 1/32 P47D Thunderbolt “Dottie Mae”

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1 hour ago, Durangokid said:

The primer coat looks much better.  I mix a little bit of Mr. Color leveling thinner with mine which makes it even smoother.  

 

Bryan

 

Thanks Bryan - If my sanity allows a third coat, I'll give it a go.

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1 hour ago, Sir Spendalot said:

That's it. I give up. I'm going to find a suitable camo version for the Jugg :frantic:

 

What happened????

 

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48 minutes ago, jep1210 said:

 

What happened????

 

Just kidding (a reaction to Mr Mayhew's post). I'm going to give the polished aluminium Alclad a go but will try it out on the flaps first. There are suggestions elsewhere that a glossy finish is required to get the best out of the high shine Alclads. Any thoughts? Also, any recommendations regarding the use (or not) of varnishes. I'll need to mask ahead of adding various other colours (yellow, black and red) and was wondering if I need to protect the aluminium coat first.

Any help gratefully received.

Paul

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19 minutes ago, Sir Spendalot said:

Just kidding (a reaction to Mr Mayhew's post). I'm going to give the polished aluminium Alclad a go but will try it out on the flaps first. There are suggestions elsewhere that a glossy finish is required to get the best out of the high shine Alclads. Any thoughts? Also, any recommendations regarding the use (or not) of varnishes. I'll need to mask ahead of adding various other colours (yellow, black and red) and was wondering if I need to protect the aluminium coat first.

Any help gratefully received.

Paul

 

Yes a gloss base will yield a higher shine...as close to mirror as you can get with paint when using their chrome. I recently used the chrome on the afterburner can of a Thunder Birds F-16 with a gloss black Model Master base. It actually was too chrome like so I misted some aircraft aluminum over it and it really gave the result I was looking for. The chrome seems to be the most fragile of their finishes. I think if you go with a flat finish base it will give a more used look...aircraft in service wouldn't be all new and shiny. I've always wanted to try different shades of grays and black to see if that would give a convincing dis-similar panel look you often see in photos of real NMF planes. I've been lazy up to this point but I may have to get off my butt and find a test subject to try that.

 

As for varnish, I don't like using them over metal paints, it seems to lose something, but that might just be me. Alclad is smooth enough that decals stick to them just fine...in my experience. The draw back is your markings and nose art and what not are shinny. I guess you could always brush a flat clear over them if it bothers you too much. You might want to consider spraying the red, yellow and black first and mask those then spray the aluminum. Alclad lays out really thin so you shouldn't have an issue with a paint lip.

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Just my personal opinion....

 

Use Alclad's gloss base coat and spray it as smooth as possible.

 

When applying Alclad, use very light coats and build it up gradually, do not over do it.

 

Before masking Alclad, leave it to rest AT LEAST a week! Do not be tempted to mask it within 24 hours even though it is dry to the touch. It needs ample time to cure so that it won't lift after masking.

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Thanks for the advice guys - much appreciated.

 

So, I've made a start and added the yellow and red to my black base and microfiller layer. I'll mask these up tomorrow and then apply the black and olive drab, followed by the polished aluminium ... and then a week of patiently staring at the shiny finish (where's the finger drumming emoji?)

 

Back to the varnish question - what happens if you want to add a bit of light weathering. I assume you can't do this straight on top of Alclads?

 

Paul

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I found a "test mule" a Tamiya 1/48 ME262. I used Model Master enamels as a base, I hope no one minds me sharing my results here. 

 

http://q3spBSEl.jpg

 

Top to bottom flat black, Navy Gloss Gray FS16081, Gunship Gray FS36118, Dark Ghost Gray FS36320, Light Gray FS36495 and gloss black which is not pictured.

 

http://9bl2ihql.jpg

 

Here they all are sprayed on to give a sense of what the colors look like. I really can't believe the gloss black turned out as glossy as it did, I could never get a finish like that when I was into modeling cars. <_< Flat color are SO much more for giving. :thumbsup:

 

http://QrGY2CEl.jpg

I decided to try two Alclad colors, I sprayed Duraluminum on the bottom(of the fuselage). The aluminum really makes the dirt particles stick out, I suggest going over the base with 4000 micromesh should be good. Fortunately this is just for test purposes.

 

http://uezolmDl.jpg

Then I hit it with Aircraft Aluminum on the top. I masked the lower color with a Post It, a great low tack making solution and handy for taking notes and posting them for all to see. :D


The next couple of shot are just the same thing taken in different light.

 

http://uezolmDl.jpg

Outside in sunlight

 

http://nHkzSgIl.jpg

 

http://9IzfuwWl.jpg

 

http://EyqR0JBl.jpg

That thick dark line is the reflection on my black shirt. :punk:

 

So, the color of the undercoat has less effect on the finish than I expected. The Gloss vs Flat black had the greatest affect on the finish than the differences in color.

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 6:49 PM, jep1210 said:

YIKES!!!! Big pictures...let me fix that.

 

That's brilliant - many thanks. Saves a lot a experimentation at this end :D

 

I was thinking about something along these lines after seeing a video where the modeller had used a gloss black and then random NATO black. This gave more of a worn look. Think I might try a mix of gloss and matt.

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3 hours ago, Sir Spendalot said:

That's brilliant - many thanks. Saves a lot a experimentation at this end :D

 

I was thinking about something along these lines after seeing a video where the modeller had used a gloss black and then random NATO black. This gave more of a worn look. Think I might try a mix of gloss and matt.

 

Yeah, just stay away from Aircraft Aluminum over the gloss black, it's way too chrome like.

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