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ZOUKEI MURA 2019-2020 - NEW P-51B/C, Bf-109G and Ar-234 ANNOUNCED!!!!!!

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Where do you guys get this stuff?  Revell "chose to ignore" the people who were helping them?  Based on what evidence?  You were in the room when the decision to "choose to ignore" these highly knowledgeable people who were helping them?

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8 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said:

Where do you guys get this stuff?  Revell "chose to ignore" the people who were helping them?  Based on what evidence?  You were in the room when the decision to "choose to ignore" these highly knowledgeable people who were helping them?

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Some of them participate in other forums and said so themselves.

Quite disappointed they were.

 

 

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We shouldn´t dig out the RevG 109G story again with all the things which went wrong and lead to much frustration. I am pretty sure that ZM has the resources to iron out all shortcomings of the existing 109 as there are missing items, wrong shapes, missing detail and suboptimal molding quality. My only hope is that they will offer a "mainstream taste" kit with a decent cockpit and a well done cockpit and wheel bay but leaving out the engine and all the invisible interior (which was fairly done with Revell´s P-51). With a price target of 50 - 60 this kit can become a real bummer. But please, P-51B/C first, then 109 and FW 190 in the later future.

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Andreas Beck

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If the past is any indication, HKM and ZM will announce their B/C P-51s about the same time.   IMHO, having options, especially for a subject as popular as any P-51 would be,  can only be a good thing. 

 

I think a well done and accurate, even simplified P-51 B/C kit would be a licence to print money IMHO. 

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15 minutes ago, LSP_Mike said:

I think that the concept of correct shape, geometry, and concentrating  detail in the 'pit, and wheel wells works for a lot of modelers.

In part for me yes, however in part no.  My favorite kits are the Tamiya ones with removable cowlings and such where you can close it up or open it up depending on the day or your mood.  If I have a choice of open engine or closed engine only then I am going closed engine.  

 

The P-51B has something of a complex canopy, I would like to see open and closed options engineered into the design.  I prefer not to be committed into one or the other.  

 

I like having the extra detail but I like being able to enjoy the lines of the plane so I want the option to open or close vs having to commit to all open or closed because the panels cannot be retained in place or won’t fit with the engine fully detailed and installed.

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An engine which is to scale will dictate overscaled covers. So there are the following choices:

- exposed engines without covers can be done to scale

-covers to scale will dictate an underscaled engine (or this is left away)

-compromise on both allow for a slightly underscaled engine and a slightly overscaled cover  (Revell 190 series ???)

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1 hour ago, Andreas Beck said:

An engine which is to scale will dictate overscaled covers. So there are the following choices:

- exposed engines without covers can be done to scale

-covers to scale will dictate an underscaled engine (or this is left away)

-compromise on both allow for a slightly underscaled engine and a slightly overscaled cover  (Revell 190 series ???)

 

I am sure they are not to scale but I am thinking Tamiya p-51D series.  Whatever the scale I have been more than satisfied with Tamiya’s proportions and execution of the engine relative to the cowlings along with fit.

 

I am no fan of Revell

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3 hours ago, Out2gtcha said:

If the past is any indication, HKM and ZM will announce their B/C P-51s about the same time.   IMHO, having options, especially for a subject as popular as any P-51 would be,  can only be a good thing. 

 

I think a well done and accurate, even simplified P-51 B/C kit would be a licence to print money IMHO. 

 

I don't really have a preference for either brand, as long as the finished product gets reviewed out as OK. I have no particular loyalty to any brand.

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Revell has done some really nice kits. Everyones mileage will vary, but being selective is usually better than non at all. I'm that way with trumpy kits, just very selective.

 A P-51B  will be nice to see, and I hope they get it right.

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On 1/3/2019 at 5:24 PM, Dave Williams said:

 Since ZM has to pay for the molds of all of the sprues A-H, it’s not clear how much cheaper a Basic series would be.

 

Or the other possibility would be to drastically increase the prize of the SWS series to keep a low price on the Basis one. Which mean less SWS series sold.

 

Also the cost of the mold machining is not linked only to the number of part you produce (or the way you arrange them) but the accuracy you put in it.

The Revell molds for the Spitfire are certainly less complex/expensive than the Tamyia ones as the skin details and part fitting, although fine on the Revell, are not at Tamyia's level.

 

I'am building the ZM SWS skyraider. I left other a lot of internal parts that would not be visible anyway. Surely they could have save some money by not producing them but in the end, I don't think this would have changed the price of the kit significantly on a 100+ € kit (I don't remember exactly how much I paid it...).

 

On the 109 story, it seems to be a subject that systematically generate frustration.

It is a bit like a Star Wars movie, there is so much hype, expectations and passion that, when all industrial constraints and producer's choice have been taken into account, it is not what we dreamt of.

Obvioulsy, they can't answer every single expectation of every single modeler in the world. This is the difference between us, passionate people that can loose common sense and the cold perspective of an industry that need to make profits (bouuuh bad word..:D.)

 

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8 hours ago, discus said:

Or the other possibility would be to drastically increase the prize of the SWS series to keep a low price on the Basis one. Which mean less SWS series sold.

 

I don't think it would need to be a drastic change in price.

It seems to me that the folks who like the current SWS will keep on buying them anyway

and the folks who like their kits but don't want to build or pay for the extra details will

buy the Basic. Quite simple. I don't think there would be much crossover between the

2 camps.

What appears odd to me is that it looks like there won't be any subjects offered in both

SWS 'and' Basic. Probably has something to do with sprue arrangement.

 

 

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