Shawn M Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I still want to see a pic of the actual kit wing root, either way I will get a D if when it comes out Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shawn M said: I still want to see a pic of the actual kit wing root, either way I will get a D if when it comes out From earlier in the thread Shawn: On 12/17/2018 at 8:20 PM, juvatwad said: scvrobeson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Ryan said: Lets all remember when this was fun sticking parts together...I had a "had to be 100% correct" phase and I never want to return to that mindset. Respectfully, Ryan I remember those days all too well; that's what my "den fighters" thread is all about (with the exception of cleaning up all seams and weathering them to my satisfaction). Ryan and PhilB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markjames1968 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Wing section definately wrong and the design of the spar and wing attachment whilst strong , is terrible for working on as you would normally expect too.( they would have you join the top and bottom of wing whilst attaching it to the fuselage...). Im hopeful that a davis section can be achieved with some brute force and general flattening of the top section, . going to vac my own one piece turret tops using original top cut off, filled with milliput then vacforming over the cleaned up milliput.. should work an remove the other major deficiency in the kit, Edited December 21, 2018 by Markjames1968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bellis Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 For those hoping to correct the cross section of the airfoil, here's what you're up against: Just an FYI post. Images previously posted in this thread were simply combined to show the true airfoil shape superimposed over the kit's parts. D Jan_G, scvrobeson, rafju and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 That does bring things home. I'm curious what the Combat and Tigger vac airfoil cross sections look like. It appears the likelyhood of fixing the HB cross section is going to be like throwing tennis balls at a tank. Padraic Conway and D Bellis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markjames1968 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, D Bellis said: For those hoping to correct the cross section of the airfoil, here's what you're up against: Just an FYI post. Images previously posted in this thread were simply combined to show the true airfoil shape superimposed over the kit's parts. D Your image categorically shows that the kit wing is 50% thicker than it should be (at 40% chord, not 30 for max thickness as the real aircraft ) ... is that definately the case ? Does that 50% extra thickness run all the way to the tip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, D Bellis said: For those hoping to correct the cross section of the airfoil, here's what you're up against: Just an FYI post. Images previously posted in this thread were simply combined to show the true airfoil shape superimposed over the kit's parts. D Hi. Just wondering is your cross-section to scale? Not saying it’s not but if the black line is meant to be enlarged that could change things (though maybe not the ease to solving the problem, if that’s even possible or worth the effort) From other suggestions: Are you guys suggesting a fill or vac- form of the whole wing? Seems like a huge job. PS the Monogram and Hasegawa kits have an even more pronounced front/top wing curve, assuming they are correct of course. Edited December 21, 2018 by Pup7309 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I'll be looking at this over the next week - I have some thoughts. Fuselage is on my knee getting a coat of looking at (with a glass of Southern comfort in one hand) - wings to follow. I *have* to get my 2-seat Spitfire finished over Christmas - then I plan to start a build thread with corrections as I go, if anyone's interested... Where did you get your airfoil cross-section from D? Edit - I do have some ID vacs (now Tigger) tucked away somewhere - but I wouldn't use any cross section there as ref. Iain nmayhew, rafju, Jan_G and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Well here's one for you all. I received my kit Wednesday and immediately opened it for inspection. Discovered, to my great dismay, that it contained TWO of the main clear sprues 'T' (with the cockpit windscreen and belly turret) and NO sprue 'U', the front and rear turrets. I am NOT happy, regardless of the issues with the turrets. I can't even attempt a fix on my own now. I will give props to Squadron/MMD customer service (they were NOT the retailer I used, who wouldn't help). MMD at least offered to contact HobbyBoss on my behalf, and for that I am grateful. So, anyone get two 'U' sprues and no 'T' sprue? I guess having two main windscreens is a plus, good to have a spare. Grrr... HO Ho ho... Merry Christmas all... Jimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bellis Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, Markjames1968 said: Your image categorically shows that the kit wing is 50% thicker than it should be (at 40% chord, not 30 for max thickness as the real aircraft ) ... is that definately the case ? Yes. 51 minutes ago, Markjames1968 said: Does that 50% extra thickness run all the way to the tip? I don't know. Someone with the kit should be able to tell. 45 minutes ago, Pup7309 said: Just wondering is your cross-section to scale? From the leading edges to trailing edges of both, yes. 34 minutes ago, Iain (32SIG) said: Where did you get your airfoil cross-section from D? This post: https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/77661-hobby-boss-132-b-24j-initial-observations/&do=findComment&comment=1094949 I did check that previously-posted airfoil drawing's authenticity, and it certainly appears to be 100% correct. HTH, D Bill_S and Iain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Ta Yes - it appears this kit has a few foibles - but I'm really looking forward to seeing what can be made of it... Iain scvrobeson, rafju, Padraic Conway and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Iain (32SIG) said: - then I plan to start a build thread with corrections as I go, if anyone's interested... Seriously? Who in the wide world of sports wouldn't be?! Can't wait for your He 219 book. Cheers Out2gtcha and spacewolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Looking at the cross section I now feel not bothered by the thickness or shape of the bottom of the wing. The top however is disappointing and really misses the down curve which will be noticeable compared to the real thing. Just my take on it. Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adameliclem Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 If the wings are that much thicker than the correct profile, wouldn't that bloat have knock-on effects on the dimensions and shapes of the cowlings and nacelles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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