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13 minutes ago, DeanKB said:

I'd take that bet. I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that the majority of LSP members would not spend $400 on a single model.

 

It's just not a sane thing to do. It's not "normal".  $400 can get you 4-5 Tamiya kits, numerous Revell kits, shedloads of AM, etc. Spending that much on a single kit is just so, so far out of the ordinary. The only other kit I can think of that was comparable in price was HpH's Catalina. I know it was resin & fiberglass, but even so, it cost far more than any other kit. And that sold in small batches, made to order - very small numbers indeed. 

 

I think that the hardcore modellers who tend to post here perhaps gives us an inaccurate picture of the wider LSP modelling scene?

 

I honestly don't know. I'm guessing.

I’m not in a majority? I can’t say and won’t fathom a guess what folks spend of their “disposable income” on the hobby. When I bought my  first kit over $100.00 (Canadian) it took a couple of months of saving to get it but with two little girls, a poorly paid job, car loan, mortgage, and wife in university I probably shouldn’t even have been buying models at all! Now, I’m nearing 60, great paying job, wife equal to my pay, girls off with their own families, 4 cars all paid for (none purchase new)...still got a mortgage...but a $400.00 to $500.00 kit is (to me) a fairly substantial expense but if it’s something I want it will be purchased. A friend of mine spends that on a weekend golfing and enjoys every minute and that’s only a weekend....the 4-500.00 I spend will give me enjoyment for 4-5 months....and then I can show it (or not) at shows and contests. So as far as hobby/ disposable income money spent (in my opinion) it’s not a bad price. I’m not a wealthy man, I’m an automotive mechanic doing ground support equipment maintenance for a charter air carrier.

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2 minutes ago, chrish said:

I’m not in a majority? I can’t say and won’t fathom a guess what folks spend of their “disposable income” on the hobby. When I bought my  first kit over $100.00 (Canadian) it took a couple of months of saving to get it but with two little girls, a poorly paid job, car loan, mortgage, and wife in university I probably shouldn’t even have been buying models at all! Now, I’m nearing 60, great paying job, wife equal to my pay, girls off with their own families, 4 cars all paid for (none purchase new)...still got a mortgage...but a $400.00 to $500.00 kit is (to me) a fairly substantial expense but if it’s something I want it will be purchased. A friend of mine spends that on a weekend golfing and enjoys every minute and that’s only a weekend....the 4-500.00 I spend will give me enjoyment for 4-5 months....and then I can show it (or not) at shows and contests. So as far as hobby/ disposable income money spent (in my opinion) it’s not a bad price. I’m not a wealthy man, I’m an automotive mechanic doing ground support equipment maintenance for a charter air carrier.

I'm also pretty well off, and a $400 kit is not out of the question for me. However, in my Cardiff model group, I'm out on my own - by miles. And these are not poor people, they are fairly well off, but the idea of spending that much just doesn't enter their minds.

 

I suppose the question is - how many of us are that old enough, that far along in our careers, with family moved out (or no family to begin with) & mortgages paid off, to be able to afford it? The economy seems to be whizzing along, so numbers should be higher than they've been before? But then again, I know plenty of people who are in work, with "cheap" mortgages, struggling to get buy as it is.

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3 hours ago, John1 said:

Thought I read somewhere that it was coming with 4 complete engines.  Could be wrong.  Personally, as a cost reduction effort, I'd really prefer if WN were only to provide one full engine and offer others separately for those who just have to show each one exposed.  Actually, since engines aren't "my thing", reduce costs even further by not including any engines and allow the individual modeler to purchase 1-4 Merlins separately, per their own whims.

 

With regard to cost, per WN's website, they are trying to have the kit come in between $349 - $399.   I'm confused by comments like yours about the mortgage needed to finance the kit.  Maybe I'm an exception but I don't think $399 is a deal-breaker for an model like this (to me, the only real concern is the size of the damned thing).    I see certain modelers bang out 4-5 (sometimes more) LSP kits a year, all of which probably cost ~ $100/ea (without including any aftermarket).    And yet $399 for a kit that would probably keep a modeler (at one like me) busy for a year is somehow extreme?  I just don't get comments like that.  I understand that some folks on this site are on fixed budgets and this cost is beyond them but I'd be willing to bet that for the majority of the folks here, this cost isn't anything insurmountable. 

 

Not aimed at you specifically, just a general observation...

Regarding the engines, I have just recently heard on youtube reviews (of the HK Lanc.) that the plan is to make one fully detailed engine and three "dummies" (whatever that might mean) for the other motors.  Comparatively speaking, if the cost of this model is near or over $400.00,  then I am not so sure about whether I would want it over a less expensive alternative that has all four engines with it.  And then on top of that, you might be looking at the extra expense of buying the other three (3) engines to fill out the thing if complete engines are important to you.  You say you are not an engine person, so this might not be a problem.  It happens to be more important to me, personally, than it might be to others.

 

Then there is the other thing I have heard on youtube reviews about the area behind the pilot and flight engineer being an empty husk.  Again, this does not compare favorably with other options on the market presently.  Many may not see this as a big deal because this area will be mostly obscured, unless it is creatively exposed in some way.

 

On the positive side, what I have seen in pictures of the detail on the parts that can be seen is very impressive on the WNW kit.  The turrets, engine, cockpit and engineers area and so forth are first rate in appearance.  Regarding the price on the kit, the impression I am beginning to get is that the cost of creating the "oil can" appearance on this aircraft is accounting for a significant amount of its overall cost of production.  

 

Regarding the price, anything approaching or north of $300.00 is just "a bridge too far" for me.  As they say, different strokes for different folks.  I have purchased kits that had a retail price of more than $300.00, but I was able to get them for less than retail.

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Fingers crossed the Lanc and the 0/400 could be at the Nationals, I’ll be picking up one of each.

 

As far as cost, don’t really care. I don’t smoke or drink, golf, have a car restoration going on, have a boat, or any other vices or hobbies.

 

Money well spent to me.

 

Ryan

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3 hours ago, DeanKB said:

how many of us are that old enough, that far along in our careers, with family moved out (or no family to begin with) & mortgages paid off, to be able to afford it?

I can. In fact, I can afford to get two of them if I wanted. Not sure what it proves.

 

In any case, the Lanc will be a bargain compared to MFH's 1/12 scale car kits. Their Ferrari 250 TR sells for about £800 a pop.

 

 

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3 hours ago, esarmstrong said:

Then there is the other thing I have heard on youtube reviews about the area behind the pilot and flight engineer being an empty husk

I'd take those comments with a pinch of salt. At this point in time no-one outside of WNW knows whether that area is going to be detailed or not.

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5 hours ago, DeanKB said:

I'd take that bet. I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that the majority of LSP members would not spend $400 on a single model.

 

For me, it all comes down to subject desirability. Whereas I'd seriously balk at $300 for most aircraft models, I'd drop the same amount in a New York minute for something I'm really passionate about (think Trumpeter 1:16 Jagdtiger), and I'm far from financially comfortable.

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I wonder when we'll see the bomb sprues, of course the loads varied, here is a mix of bombs and various size incendiaries in SBCs:

 

https://ibccdigitalarchive.lincoln.ac.uk/omeka/collections/document/7811

 

and this squadron, some went mining and others bombing:

 

https://ibccdigitalarchive.lincoln.ac.uk/omeka/collections/document/7140

 

also note the the stations where they were loaded on are listed plus type/number of Window and/or Nickels are listed in the above reports.

 

Jari

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Posted (edited)

At the end of the day price is relative. For me its expensive but if I was a Lanc fan, I'd be getting it.

Will it's surface texture be the 'Dreadnought' that recessed panel lines was in the 90's?

Interesting times.

 

Edited by Pup7309

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9 hours ago, Pup7309 said:

At the end of the day price is relative. For me its expensive but if I was a Lanc fan, I'd be getting it.

Will it's surface texture be the 'Dreadnought' that recessed panel lines was in the 90's?

Interesting times.

 

Definitely interesting times Pup.  As far as "oil canning" being the next step in modeling technology, I'm not sure.  Very few aircraft (unless I completely missed it in all the pics I've perused) have this effect, especially as pronounced as the Lanc or the B-52.   I guess some very subtle and extremely random stress distortion might be present but I don't think it's applicable to most aircraft. 

 

Regarding the lack of interior details in the aft fuselage, personally, if it's not going to be visible, it's all wasted anyway.   I do get that maybe 1% of the modelers would be inclined to hack up their $350 dollar kit to show the entire interior in all it's glory but for me, I'm totally fine with WN skipping these bits and passing on the savings to the consumer.  

 

On cost - last year I purchased the most expensive kit I've ever bought - the Tamiya Corsair.  Also purchased a bunch of aftermarket stuff, references, etc.  All up, I probably spent close to what this Lanc will cost.  That investment kept me in modeling bliss for close to a year (yeah, I build that slowly).  In that time, I probably would have spent the same on 2 or 3 cheaper (and quicker to build) models.   Another way I looked at it was that I spend significantly more at Starbucks (don't judge me, I like there coffee) than I would if I purchased the WNW kit and took 6 months to a year to build this beast.  I'd argue that most modelers could afford this kit, it just comes down to their (and in some relationships, their wife's) particular priorities. 

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1 hour ago, John1 said:

Definitely interesting times Pup.  As far as "oil canning" being the next step in modeling technology, I'm not sure.  Very few aircraft (unless I completely missed it in all the pics I've perused) have this effect, especially as pronounced as the Lanc or the B-52.   I guess some very subtle and extremely random stress distortion might be present but I don't think it's applicable to most aircraft. 

 

 

Please do a quick Google Images and look carefully at the photos. That "oil canning" effect can actually be considered a "standard feature" on the Lancaster, it is so visible in so many photos. 

Radu 

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6 hours ago, Radub said:

 

Please do a quick Google Images and look carefully at the photos. That "oil canning" effect can actually be considered a "standard feature" on the Lancaster, it is so visible in so many photos. 

Radu 

Maybe I wasn’t clear in that post. I meant that most aircraft don’t have oil canning to the same extent as the lanc.  

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you sure? the oilcanning effect is a result of the stresses in the metal due to rivetting. With a thin metal skin it cannot be avoided.

not to be confused with the stresses while the aircraft is in flight where the dihedral increases due to aerodynamic forces and the resulting "creases" in the wingskins.

The fuselage while on the ground sags because of the weight.

I had the pleasure to see Lancaster NX611 yesterday and there is oilcanning everywhere. Also a wish came true when I sat in the pilot seat. Great inspiration for building the new kits.

Cees

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22 hours ago, John1 said:

  I'd argue that most modelers could afford this kit, it just comes down to their (and in some relationships, their wife's) particular priorities. 

Well put !:clap2: 

 

WNW’s oil canning is potentially a real game changer for metal skinned a/c. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Pup7309 said:

Well put !:clap2: 

 

WNW’s oil canning is potentially a real game changer for metal skinned a/c. 

 

 

I absolutely agree, and I suspect most modellers will come to see it as such in time, in which case it will be up to Tamiya et al to do retooled Spitfires and F4U's etc to 

catch up!

Edited by 19squadron

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