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On 6/14/2019 at 3:44 PM, Out2gtcha said:

I have to say, this is likely the first foray for WnW into the world of getting critiqued by modelers. Prior to the Lanc release, all of Sir Peters releases were near impossible to critique, as no current examples are in existence, save very few, and no one alive really possesses the knowledge to say whether or not any model or any one part of a model is actually accurate or not.  

 

That’s a very valid point.

 

It will be interesting to see what they say and do, if anything; the model certainly looks finished to my eye and won’t be changed.

 

Let’s hope they are a bit more mature about it than Eduard, who picked up their ball, refused to play anymore and just ran away, never to be seen again.

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I don't think the "oil canning" is exaggerated. I saw the plastic parts at two different shows and the effect is actually quite subtle. Maybe it is just the lighting that makes it look too pronounced.

Radu

 

A quick Google reveals plenty of that effect, anyway.

 

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I think that WnW haven't had such critiquing over their WWI stuff to date because it is so good, and seems to be pretty much above reproach. 

 

The difference here is that we have a controversial area of their kit that is raising differences of opinion - this hasn't been the case in their previous issues that I am aware of because they handled the subject(s) so well.

 

I personally tend to agree with other comments here. The asking price for the Lanc will be hefty so I want it to look right. I am not sure I like the overall, consistent stressed effect. A bit like a uniform paint finish. And the effort of trying to alter that, after shelling out big money, and risking damaging the kit, is a bit of a put off for me. However, I am happy to wait and see it in the flesh, so to speak. Hard to believe that a company renowned for its accuracy could stuff up something like this. so maybe give them the benefit of the doubt? (I like Radu's post above)

 

With regards other WW2 subjects, don't hold your breath. After pestering WnW (well, asking) for a decent Spitfire I was politely told there would only be WWI subjects explored, following the Lanc, as there are still too many subjects to do. And given the Lanc has apparently been 4 years in the making ....

 

PR

Edited by Pete Roberts

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5 hours ago, timvkampen said:

I don't care. I am just going for one I think. It looks really amazing from these test shots already

Agreed, I think this kit will be fantastic.  For those that don’t like the WNW approach to surface details, they can opt for the cheaper HK kit with it’s completely smooth surfaces.  

 

Everyone wins here!   

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On 6/19/2019 at 1:12 AM, John1 said:

Agreed, I think this kit will be fantastic.  For those that don’t like the WNW approach to surface details, they can opt for the cheaper HK kit with it’s completely smooth surfaces.  

 

Everyone wins here!   

I’m happy for you Lancaster fans. Just wish PJ had a thing for B24 Libs and we had the same choice...

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On 6/16/2019 at 11:31 PM, Pete Roberts said:

I think that WnW haven't had such critiquing over their WWI stuff to date because it is so good, and seems to be pretty much above reproach. 

 

The difference here is that we have a controversial area of their kit that is raising differences of opinion - this hasn't been the case in their previous issues that I am aware of because they handled the subject(s) so well.

 

I personally tend to agree with other comments here. The asking price for the Lanc will be hefty so I want it to look right. I am not sure I like the overall, consistent stressed effect. A bit like a uniform paint finish. And the effort of trying to alter that, after shelling out big money, and risking damaging the kit, is a bit of a put off for me. However, I am happy to wait and see it in the flesh, so to speak. Hard to believe that a company renowned for its accuracy could stuff up something like this. so maybe give them the benefit of the doubt? (I like Radu's post above)

 

With regards other WW2 subjects, don't hold your breath. After pestering WnW (well, asking) for a decent Spitfire I was politely told there would only be WWI subjects explored, following the Lanc, as there are still too many subjects to do. And given the Lanc has apparently been 4 years in the making ....

 

PR

- But then if you do not like this stressed skin effect, you can just....buy the HK kit

 

Personally, I think the appearance is exactly right and gives the surface quality of the model the ideal surface to paint a weathered real aircraft like look. I'll go so far that I believe this kit is so far ahead in terms of accuracy and real aircraft character that  once it is out, will make all existing kits including those by Tamiya in 1/32 look as old hat as kits with raised panel lines did when the first recessed line kits came out ,and that other manufacturers will have to scramble to catch up. All are lucky to have WNW, the attention to historical accuracy and detail are simply light years ahead of any other manufacturer, including Tamiya.

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1 hour ago, 19squadron said:

- But then if you do not like this stressed skin effect, you can just....buy the HK kit

 

Personally, I think the appearance is exactly right and gives the surface quality of the model the ideal surface to paint a weathered real aircraft like look. I'll go so far that I believe this kit is so far ahead in terms of accuracy and real aircraft character that  once it is out, will make all existing kits including those by Tamiya in 1/32 look as old hat as kits with raised panel lines did when the first recessed line kits came out ,and that other manufacturers will have to scramble to catch up. All are lucky to have WNW, the attention to historical accuracy and detail are simply light years ahead of any other manufacturer, including Tamiya.

You think it'll be the Dreadnought of large scale model aeroplanes? I somehow doubt it, but time will tell, as it may be a polarising look.

 

WNW's have, so far, only modelled WWI aircraft. There is a very, very limited amount of literature against which to compare accuracy - very few videos, no colour photos, few black & white photos, nobody alive to pass their accurate records on. That's the world WNW work in. In many cases, they own most of the resources, like photos & actual aircraft!

 

That is not comparable to modelling aircraft from later periods, especially WWII onwards. Film archives, B&W and colour photography and witness statements are all readily available. A quick Google brings up reams and reams of resources & Johnny Expert is online, slamming the latest model for the wrong tyre pattern. Manufacturers are exposed if they get something wrong, in a way WNW simply are not.

 

The point is, how can you claim "WNW's historical accuracy & detail are light years ahead of any other manufacturer"? Tamiya seem pretty much on the money to me, whilst even if WNW were wrong, there is very little literature to prove so. It's simply not a valid comparison. For instance, WNW don't provide any turnbuckles - can you imagine Tamiya being allowed to get away with not providing such an integral part of a kit? WNW decals are very delicate, some disintegrating under decal solution. Engines come without spark plugs & miss out plumbing. Cowlings are far too scale thick. Lozenge decals don't look convincing. I don't consider that light years ahead of Tamiya?

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Dean, you are entitled to your opinions, but frankly I couldn't disagree more with your comments about WNW.

 

First, there is a WEALTH of information available for which to compare the accuracy of their kits. Have you actually taken the time to look? Obviously not. The reason their WW1 models haven't had such criticism is because they are beyond reproach.

 

Second, I personally place WNW on a par with Tamiya - engineering and detail. Which is why I say in my earlier comments re: the Lanc, lets wait and see. The main thing putting me off is the amount of time a pedant like me will take to build it.

 

PR

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27 minutes ago, Pete Roberts said:

Dean, you are entitled to your opinions, but frankly I couldn't disagree more with your comments about WNW.

 

First, there is a WEALTH of information available for which to compare the accuracy of their kits. Have you actually taken the time to look? Obviously not. The reason their WW1 models haven't had such criticism is because they are beyond reproach.

 

Second, I personally place WNW on a par with Tamiya - engineering and detail. Which is why I say in my earlier comments re: the Lanc, lets wait and see. The main thing putting me off is the amount of time a pedant like me will take to build it.

 

PR

I'll have to check my stash, but I may have one or two WNW kits, as I hold them in very high regard. They and Tamiya lead the way - I agree with you.

 

But, WNW kits are not without fault. And I was disagreeing with the opinion that WNW kits are "light years ahead of Tamiya". They simply are not.

 

I actually have a very large WWI library, but the point is that the available literature is far more limited than WWII, for instance. Some aircraft have only a handful of photos in existence - non colour - no walk-arounds, dodgy 3 point views, very few period museum pieces to measure & absolutely nobody alive to remember. Others have no definitive plans, no photos of cockpits, or photos showing a lack of consistency, etc. The publications that do exist tend to replicate the same photos.

 

Saying WNW kits have no criticism compared to WWII kits because they are "beyond reproach" ignores the reality of the resources available against which to compare that accuracy, compared to later periods. The kits are bloody good, but no kit is beyond reproach.

 

Are you saying the literature on WWI warplanes is as rich, varied, timely, colourful, available and documented as WWII warplanes? 

 

 

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I reckon WNW will regret kitting the Lanc. From now on all they'll get is bombarded by people telling them that they're utter, utter idiots and total amateurs because the diameter of the screws on the compass housing is out by a millionth of an inch, and therefore the kit is completely unbuildable (all whilst conveniently ignoring the various issues that crop up in, say, a Tamiya kit).

 

Should've stuck with WWI. As we all know, the only surviving record of any WWI aircraft is Snoopy's Dog House so they could have carried on flogging kits of fictional aircraft like the Gotha UWD, and no-one would be any the wiser.

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Truly no kit is perfect.  I have a lot of worthless WNW lozenge.  And I have posted an entire thread about their hideous Albatros D.Va spinner. 

 

But they still make great kits even if some things are wrong.  And they may draw less criticism due to the fact that their only competitors build models that many hold in the same regard as soiled nappies.

 

And while we Ooh and Ahh over build logs and wood grain, nobody is giving WNW the same scrutiny that Eduard's oversized BF109G6 in 1/48 scale of yesteryear got.

 

We are fortunate to have WNW.  But beyond reproach?  Gimme a break!

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On 6/13/2019 at 9:39 PM, MikeMaben said:

Seems it shouldn't be to difficult to un-uniform it with some sandpaper.   :shrug:

 

 

 

I'm with you, Mike. That's a much more inviting prospect than the countless hours it would take me to approximate oil-canning on the HK kit. 

 

Adam

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