SimonCornes Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I recently picked up one of these kits and fancy the USAF markings, although I know that this aircraft was used to train non-USAF pilots who were going to fly the 'G' model. I was wondering what the options are for producing a genuine USAF jet? I assume we're talking a 'D' ? I further assume it would have C2 ejection seats? Maybe needing a jet pipe for a 'C'. Then what about markings? Maybe this has all been covered off before but I am not aware so please forgive me if it has!! Any thoughts/opinions would be appreciated, Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmthamade Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Don't think I've seen any aftermarket sheets for the USAF TF-104. I Know Victory Productions did two sheets with USAF birds, all were single seaters. You would have to pick a USAF bird, use these sheets as a basis for a twin seater Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonCornes Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Hi Don It seems a bit strange that there is no decal sheet for this kit yet, especially from the USA, which would be logical. Maybe there are several in preparation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I'm planning an in-flight TF-104 model from the AF testing center and have hunted all over for it or some TF-104 JASDF decals and have some up with zilch. The JASDF decals would require some Japanese stencils, but the AF testing center scheme I think I will have to get one for the single seater from Victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonCornes Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Brian Is it worth looking at the Hasegawa sheet for their JASDF F-104? The Victory sheet is quite expensive and not available from Hannants and relies heavily on the kit stencils if the stencils supplied are anything to go by. Ideally Microscale should do a bespoke set! Cheers Simon Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 You could both do what I did; ask for someone to swap the Italeri decal sheet with a later Hasegawa F-104J sheet - there were two releases - I got lucky with a guy on ARC, if you don't ask, you don't get. Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I've got paint masks for the JASDF 207 sqdn, but finding that later Has 104 release for the stencils has proven harder than I thought. I'll probably post a note in LSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I don't know what's wrong with the really quite colourful Bicentennial livery fom Luke AFB. USAF markings, flown by German and American pilots. (Quite like the F-4F in Norm 72 splinter camouflage and USAF 35th TFW markings from George AFB too.) Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmthamade Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Not sure what seats were used or J-57 was used, i'm pretty certain the aftermarket has you covered. AMS or Aires should have what you need. The late JASDF sheet from Hasegawa is a bit of a struggle to find, worth it for the stencils. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmthamade Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Tony T said: I don't know what's wrong with the really quite colourful Bicentennial livery fom Luke AFB. USAF markings, flown by German and American pilots. (Quite like the F-4F in Norm 72 splinter camouflage and USAF 35th TFW markings from George AFB too.) Tony Yup!! That is a colorful scheme!! I thought the Navy had all the colorful Bicentennial schemes!! Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonCornes Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 I agree, the USAF box scheme will be my default if nothing else comes up but I'm surprised that there aren't at least a couple of sheets of USAF aircraft out by now. As with the A and C models, there were some very colourful squadron markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Tony T said: I don't know what's wrong with the really quite colourful Bicentennial livery fom Luke AFB. USAF markings, flown by German and American pilots. (Quite like the F-4F in Norm 72 splinter camouflage and USAF 35th TFW markings from George AFB too.) Tony 12 hours ago, dmthamade said: Yup!! That is a colorful scheme!! I thought the Navy had all the colorful Bicentennial schemes!! Don 5 hours ago, SimonCornes said: I agree, the USAF box scheme will be my default if nothing else comes up but I'm surprised that there aren't at least a couple of sheets of USAF aircraft out by now. As with the A and C models, there were some very colourful squadron markings. Absolutely nothing is wrong with that scheme! Its beautiful......................only issue I have is it is OOB with very few others AM options, so being that it is a very purty scheme, likely will see quite a number of them being built once the TF kit gets rolling. I was just thinking of doing something a bit different, its just that the options at this point are limited. Im still hoping Jennings will bring us some JASDF stencils/squadron markings at some point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 The TF kit is barely out, so I’m not really surprised there aren’t any sheets out yet, and in many cases they used the same markings/schemes as the single seaters, so I’m not sure how popular TF specific sheets will be, unless it’s some special scheme. For USAF TFs, you’d need to do some modifications. I think for the D, you’d need at least the dished A/C wheels, and in addition for the B, you’d need different canopies. Decal companies aren’t always keen on making sheets for versions that people have to convert on their own. Also, I don’t think USAF TFs are as popular as the single seaters, which were already covered by the VP sheet for the NMF schemes and Carcal for the SEA options. Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dave Williams said: The TF kit is barely out, so I’m not really surprised there aren’t any sheets out yet, and in many cases they used the same markings/schemes as the single seaters, so I’m not sure how popular TF specific sheets will be, unless it’s some special scheme. For USAF TFs, you’d need to do some modifications. I think for the D, you’d need at least the dished A/C wheels, and in addition for the B, you’d need different canopies. Decal companies aren’t always keen on making sheets for versions that people have to convert on their own. Also, I don’t think USAF TFs are as popular as the single seaters, which were already covered by the VP sheet for the NMF schemes and Carcal for the SEA options. Yep, Im thinking if I go with a USAF Testing center TF D, I will have to get the Victory sheet for the single seater, then use some paint masks for the codes. The wheels for my particular USAF TF shouldn't be an issue as mine will be an in flight model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Are there any interesting TF-104G schemes? Most of the “special” schemes on 104s seem to be seem on the single seaters. The family models are usually just standard markings and camo. Just got the kit. It’s pretty much as expected. It looks like the two seater forward fuselage is a mold insert, so the panel lines on the spine and fuselage from the intakes back are the same as in the previous kits. For the Luftwaffe option, Italeri provides PE cover plates for the radarscope panels in both IPs and the special weapons panel for the rear IP, which is correct since the option is actually a F-104F. Speaking of IPs, like the front IP, the rear IP instrument faces are blank, but Italeri only provides instrument face decals for the front IP. Come on, Italeri, how hard is it to give us a rear IP decal? I guess it’s piece together Airscale instrument faces, or hope Eduard comes out with a set like they did for single seaters. On the plus side, we finally get some sidewall detail, for both cockpits no less. Edited September 11, 2018 by Dave Williams Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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