Revell 1/32 BAe Hawk T.1A - Disaster

[Kagemusha]

Fantastic work with the rivets, well worth the effort. 

[allthumbs]

Indeed, the rivets on the tail look great. 
 

If I may ask, which set of Archer Transfers did you use (product number)?

 

Also, did you mean to say that you found Micro Sol (red bottle) too harsh for these rivet decals?

 

Rich

Edited August 9, 2020 by allthumbs

[Anthony in NZ]

That's come up really very nice, those Archer Rivets are brilliant!

[Robthepom]

2 hours ago, allthumbs said:

Indeed, the rivets on the tail look great. 
 

If I may ask, which set of Archer Transfers did you use (product number)?

 

Also, did you mean to say that you found Micro Sol (red bottle) too harsh for these rivet decals?

 

Rich

these are the sets i bought

 

I found that when i used Micro Sol (Red) the decal film between the rivits melted causing them to split individually, so i stopped using it and had no adhesion issues

 

[Victor K2]

The rivets look great as they are a prominent feature to the rear fuselage on the Hawk. It looks like you have missed the starboard louvered panel (photo etch) just forward of the G.T.S. exhaust, or maybe you haven't got round to fitting it yet?

Look forward to seeing more progress

 

Bob. 

[Robthepom]

4 hours ago, Victor K2 said:

The rivets look great as they are a prominent feature to the rear fuselage on the Hawk. It looks like you have missed the starboard louvered panel (photo etch) just forward of the G.T.S. exhaust, or maybe you haven't got round to fitting it yet?

Look forward to seeing more progress

 

Bob. 

Ah yes, well spotted bob, the kit has the exhaust panel only moulded in one side which is bit strange. I was going to measure and mark it out but forgot

[Victor K2]

The panel you refer to is the air intake (both sides) for the G.T.S. (gas turbine starter) this effectively is used to start the engine. On windy days (nose to tail) the exhaust can leave scorch marks on the R.A.T. (ram air turbine ) doors (immediately behind the exhaust). The G.T.S can also be used to re start the engine in flight.

The rear of your Hawk, below the rudder, has the later fairing (longer) which means the "teddy bears ears" (air intakes for cooling the air conditioning unit) top of the fuselage behind the canopy, are undersized for this modified/later Hawk. Heritage Aviation did the later (larger intakes), I would check reference photo's for aerial fits as well, as the Hawk has under gone quite a few modifications (some more visible than others) over it's 46 years (August 21 1974) of existence.

Sorry to sound like a rivet counter, as I am normally a believer in that if the model looks like a Hawk (other models insert as required) it must be a Hawk. As the recipe books state "season to taste". This is the reason some of my builds stall and are pending more research due to watching master builders on this site and waiting for my skill set to catch up (curse you Large Scale Planes) instead of following my own advice.

 

Bob

So many models to do, so little time to finish them.

[ScoobyDoo]

Wow, stunning work!

[Robthepom]

16 hours ago, Victor K2 said:

The panel you refer to is the air intake (both sides) for the G.T.S. (gas turbine starter) this effectively is used to start the engine. On windy days (nose to tail) the exhaust can leave scorch marks on the R.A.T. (ram air turbine ) doors (immediately behind the exhaust). The G.T.S can also be used to re start the engine in flight.

The rear of your Hawk, below the rudder, has the later fairing (longer) which means the "teddy bears ears" (air intakes for cooling the air conditioning unit) top of the fuselage behind the canopy, are undersized for this modified/later Hawk. Heritage Aviation did the later (larger intakes), I would check reference photo's for aerial fits as well, as the Hawk has under gone quite a few modifications (some more visible than others) over it's 46 years (August 21 1974) of existence.

Sorry to sound like a rivet counter, as I am normally a believer in that if the model looks like a Hawk (other models insert as required) it must be a Hawk. As the recipe books state "season to taste". This is the reason some of my builds stall and are pending more research due to watching master builders on this site and waiting for my skill set to catch up (curse you Large Scale Planes) instead of following my own advice.

 

Bob

So many models to do, so little time to finish them.

thanks for the info Bob, i dont think I'll be fixing any more issues with the kit to be honest. But at least you admit to the problem you have. haha

 

The comments remind me of the old modeler saying "never give a finished model to someone who either flew it or worked on it"

 

I did a similar thing with a Bushmaster Protected Vechicle, took me six months to build and detail, i gave it to a mechanic just as a gift, first thing he said was not thanks, but you have wrong aerials, the interior colour is not correct etc etc...........broke my heart 

 

So i wont be gifting my Hawk to you  (you just watch the mess i make of the Det Cord)

[Victor K2]

I am that old modeler, Victors, Jet Provost, Canberra, Sea Vixen Dr1, Hunter, Devon, Meteor U16,  oh and a 46 year old Hawk XX154 to name but a few in my 46 years and counting career.

 

I wouldn't dare make such comments if some one made me a gift of an aircraft that I worked on (did I hear Derek say I missed out the Wright Flyer)

 

Good luck with the Det Cord, I will watch with more than a passing interest.

 

Cheers,

 

Bob.

[Robthepom]

15 hours ago, Victor K2 said:

I am that old modeler, Victors, Jet Provost, Canberra, Sea Vixen Dr1, Hunter, Devon, Meteor U16,  oh and a 46 year old Hawk XX154 to name but a few in my 46 years and counting career.

 

I wouldn't dare make such comments if some one made me a gift of an aircraft that I worked on (did I hear Derek say I missed out the Wright Flyer)

 

Good luck with the Det Cord, I will watch with more than a passing interest.

 

Cheers,

 

Bob.

amazing career,  I'm assuming its RAF

 

i wish someone would do 1/32 Sea Vixen, the Airfix kit is good but only 1/48, its one of my favorite aircraft

 

Did you actually work with the Wright Brothers???? I bet that was great

[Victor K2]

Hi again, yes I did serve in the R.A.F. 1974-85. Most of that time I worked on the Victor K2 at R.A.F. Marham. This became my all time favourite aircraft, I would love to see a 1/32 scale kit. I contemplated scratch  building one and got as far as enlarging drawings and accumulating build materials, oh for more time to fit it all in. I then had a couple of years with the Red Arrows where I met that master of scratch builds, Derek Bradshaw. I was insanely envious of his amazing skills. He made a 1/48 Red Arrows Hawk out of a snap together kit made especially for the Reds. It was one step up from a toy, it was molded in red plastic and had stick on markings. Derek turned it into a master piece with scratch built Ejection seats, hinged canopy, pull down footstep, I am not too sure of the tail markings but it depicted an aircraft that was involved in a cable strike on route to a display in Scotland. This involved 2 aircraft, the lead aircraft struck a power cable causing the rear crew member to eject ( this aircraft was recovered safely diverting to Prestwick ). The snapped cable whip lashed into the following aircraft slicing through the nose, leading edge of the mainplane and also the Fin, this aircraft also recovered safely. Derek's model depicted a repaired nose in yellow primer and a camouflaged fin which was a strain gauged replacement for the damaged fin. It was mounted on the actual map that the pilot used on this trip. Please correct this missive if I have any of the facts wrong Derek, of which I am relying on a distant memory (1983 or 84). I am now a civilian and have been working mostly on military aircraft ever since as a contracted technician, firstly at R.A.E. Llanbedr then for the last 17 years here at R.A.F. Valley.

Yes, working  with Wilbur and Orvil was a great experience, I said a tail first/canard aircraft would never catch on.

 

Bob

 

 

[Robthepom]

i have left the canopy until the end of the build now is the time to get it done (to the best of my abilities)

 

So i have decided to go with the decal, so I thought i'd do some trials, I used kit decals and a spare tamiya canopy. From the trial i have decided to cut the decal into individual strips otherwise i cant get rid of the the backing where its clear, i will need to cut as close to the decal as possible

 

[Victor K2]

Great looking Hawk Rob, I am currently working on XX285 here at R.A.F. Valley. It is in 100 Squadron anniversary markings but is currently assigned to  to the Navy based at Culdrose.

If I was able to publish photo's of it I would, unfortunately the M.O.D. would have me locked up if I did. It has a target towing fairing located near the rear port side of the fuselage and it may be likely XX289 may have had this facility sometime in it's life (as it is one of 100 squadron's duties).

Hope the decal cord works.

 

 

Bob

[Robthepom]

I never normally have disasters but today was the day, just on final build stages as well, typical, I dont care about money really its the time effort and the fact that its a favorite plane

 

I did the first set of decals that were not perfect but just ok from couple meters away

 

Before doing the front decals, for some reason i felt the urge to paint the canopy frame, and somehow i didnt mask the underside correctly. I cant believe i did it, so pissed off

 

did i mention how pissed off i am

so what to do?? i could have shelved the kit and sulked until i find new canopy/kit, but i decided to spray the back black so the navigator/instructor is in the dark

 

So if anyone has spare canopy or cheap kit i could buy, let me know

 

The finished model is now flying in my garage, no special inhouse display for this one, which annoys me even more, ahh well move on .......... still pissed off

 

I dont think I'll put it in the RFI section, hopefully it will slip down the pages quick

 

Thanks for watching, especially Bob for his input, i wish we could catch up for a few beers one day for a story or 2. (I used to work for MOD as well)