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1/18 P51C Mustang "Lopes Hope the 3rd"

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On 8/18/2019 at 10:09 PM, DonH said:

Fnah, you missed the little paper label hanging from the string on the silver box thingy. 

 

I look at the photos of the real thing and then look at the parts you make. I think "hmmm, that doesn't look quite right" and I refer back to the photo. Then I realise I missed some little detail that you have added. You must have eyes like an eagle and the patience of a saint.

 

 

My Take:

"I look at the photos of the real thing and then look at the parts you make. Then I realize they are both photos of the model."

 

Insane workmanship...:bow:

 

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evening you fine fellows :)

 

thanks for stopping by & chiming in - makes my day to see people like my model :)

 

On 8/18/2019 at 9:38 PM, LSP_Kevin said:

What's the name of the planet you're from again?

 

Kev

 

 

Umm planet Aircorps Kev - I spend so much time buried in drawings on their website trying to understand stuff I might as well live there...

 

 

On 8/19/2019 at 4:29 AM, brahman104 said:

Well done Peter,

 

I can absolutely understand the complexity of what you're trying to do here. Having all the drawings in the world doesn't make producing a 3 dimensional part any easier!

 

That little metal box with the wires coming out of it....... how did you make that without seams? Advanced trickery and awesomeness I take it? ;)

 

Brilliant work as always though.

 

Craig

 

Oh yes I got up close and personal with the real deal at Oshkosh. Took plenty of pics for you, but I think you have the situation well and truely in hand!

 

 

Hi Craig - the metal box is basically a cube of ali cut from a bit of scrap I had lying around - so no seams :) I would love to see any pics you have from Oshkosh, I don't have many of the finished aircraft, mine are mainly the resto shots..

 

On 8/19/2019 at 5:09 AM, DonH said:

Fnah, you missed the little paper label hanging from the string on the silver box thingy. 

 

 

Don't laugh, I nearly did, then thankfully I saw a picture of it wired up - ergo no label :)

 

 

On 8/20/2019 at 10:14 PM, JayW said:

The windshield looks to be a major challenge.  It was a shortcoming of sorts on my 1/18 P-51D which has an entirely different windshield.  And I overcame it by completely scratch building the wind shield.  It was entirely single curvature (or nearly so) - which allowed me to simply roll form the "glass" from thin gage clear plastic, as opposed to a vac form.  The periphery trim being the biggest challenge - to mate it to the existing shape on the fuselage, and  the posts and frame.  

 

Also, I took that opportunity to make the posts and aft frame in such a way that they would accept the "glass", and look like the separate parts that they truly are.  This also allowed me to use thick gage clear plastic for the bullet-proof flat screen.  

 

With the exception of the small upper compound-curved segment (which would require a vac form), you could do the same thing if you wanted.  Oh what a project it would be - but with your mad skills anything is possible!  However I have no doubt you will make it look totally real no  matter what method you choose.

 

Thanks Jay, it's so nice to have someone who has done all this before as my wingman :) I did start thinking I would vacform it, but after my usual failings I did almost what you said - pane of glass by pane of glass as will be seen in a minute :)

 

..I made up a new master plug to correct some shortcomings including not leaving overhangs at the back as can be seen sat on the wing - I used one of the pulls to just fill in some of where I have been chopping the fuselage about as I was starting to lose my bearings.. this is simply plumbers ali tape on the cockpit glass and a bit of litho to force the P40 filler into a nice profile of the fuselage..

 

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..I then used the mould/plug as a basis to just form the windshield panels out of PETG one at a time. The method was to immerse in boiling water and once soft put on a 2 inch thick bit of foam and just press down until it hardened again. Without moving I then scribed the reference of some of the straight parts of the mould so I knew exactly how it sat on the mould..

 

..these blobs are soon turned into the panels themselves as can be seen at the bottom - i removed a tiny strip of the protective covering around the edges so I can assemble it, but still protect it - the fact there is virtually no aggressive heat in this process means they will be crystal clear :)

 

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..sides are on the mould and the other parts coming together... the black sharpie edging means when you assemble it there is a visible trick where the thickness of the plastic just disappears..

 

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..CA was carefully wicked into joints as it was held on the mould and presto, a windshield... I also formed the rear former from brass around the mould and with a bit of brute force & ignorance..

 

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..as this bit starts to come together, I need to drop in the instrument panel so I can build up the coaming around it and ultimately the windshield - as such the parts were assembled ....

 

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dummy instruments & bits were added to the back to keep it three dimensional..

 

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..and dry fitted  in place...

 

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..I have also started to form the coaming - tricky as it is inside the windshield so needs to almost touch it all the way round, but also be a rigid shape to go around the panel - you might be able to just see it here..

 

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thats it for now, take care y'all :)

 

TTFN
Peter

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Peter,

 

Again, like many others, I have no more words to describe your fantastic modeling skills, but I should still say the following:  You are very best, period.  Thank you for your continuing posts of your P-51C journey.

 

Chuck

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Where is the "astonished" emoji? As others have said, sometimes you have to look twice to confirm that you are looing at the model and not photos of the real thing.

 

This is turning into a detailed encyclopedia of the P-51B/C Mustang. Just beautiful.

 

Richard

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Only too happy to help Peter! :)

 

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She is absolutely spectacular in the flesh!

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Interesting one here.... note the amount of random anodized rivets included in the mix. I trust yours will show the same!!!!

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They didn't have the cockpit open unfortunately, but I tried my best with the light, and people

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hmmmm, it's like I've seen this somewhere else before? ;)

 

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Note the imperfect green and yellow lines on the strut

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This is super cool.... the dedication to the individual panel finishes in unbelieveable!

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I found this really interesting..... I always assumed the intake was a pressed/formed piece, but this looks like it's cast...... May be a good thing for you.... no skinning!!!! :)

 

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Also, amusing to learn he pretty much decided to issue himself the plane! Great read!

 

Enjoy Peter :)

 

Craig

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On 8/21/2019 at 2:48 PM, airscale said:

..I then used the mould/plug as a basis to just form the windshield panels out of PETG one at a time. The method was to immerse in boiling water and once soft put on a 2 inch thick bit of foam and just press down until it hardened again. Without moving I then scribed the reference of some of the straight parts of the mould so I knew exactly how it sat on the mould..

 

Love this  :speak_cool:

 

 

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3 hours ago, DonH said:

Do I notice some rivets missing? Is that for ventilation/drainage?

Not missing Don, just different colours. I think it's meant that way to replicate the many different suppliers that would've been producing parts/batches on an assembly line. Therefore some of the rivets were anodized blue, some weren't. Same as for the Alcoa markings on a few panels. 

 

That's the reason this particular mustang is so authentic, the attention to detail of the restorers is outstanding. That's why I've posted those specific photos. 

 

Cheers,

 

Craig

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Fantastic pics from Craig.

 

Does anybody know what those rough-painted tracer lines over some rivets/welding spots and around the hatches actually are? I seem to remember to have seen similar traces on wartime pictures, but always assumed them to be perhaps from rainwater in the dirt, due to their random appearance. 

 

Some protective seal?

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Given all the Alclad- and Reynolds-Aluminium-stamps on various panels, as seen in the above pictures (and beside the usual stencil fare), I foresee Peter to manufacture a complete rubber stamp-set for his Mustang.

 

in 18th scale, IT COULD WORK ;-))

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evening folks :)

 

had a few days off so here we go again :)

 

Craig - those pictures are incredible - I mean truly incredible! thank you so much, there are many, many details I can now see, not least of which id that aluminium stamping - I won't be going that far though.... had I known I might have done some decals, but the thought of all that carrier film decals probably wouldn't work - rub down would, but as far as I can tell from when I did my Spitfire they are VERY expensive to have made..

 

..I think the light alloy piant stuff is some sort of anti corrosion - I likely won't be doing that either..

 

one thing has me baffled.. this is not period is it?

 

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..I think I can see 'Garmin' on one of them so I assume it's some modern bit of kit - it's sure not in the manual (nor are the fittings..)

 

so, the Instrument Panel coaming - something looking so simple is anything but... - lets take a look..

 

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complex shape that forms to an angular shape around the IP, see those air vents - there are 4 - two at the sides for the side windows, two at the front for the windshield - also there are two handholds, and a big rubber tube / impact strip along the front edge to protect the pilot...

 

..more on those vents & hand holds..

 

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..this is version 4 of my vacfrom mould - it needs to fit the IP and fit in the windshield glazing almost touching at all points so has taken a while to get right..

 

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..I pulled a copy in black plastic for no other reason than it was all I had in the right thickness... all the bits & bobs were fashioned from plastic from the drawings - the vents from card with a strip of litho & rod fittings, the hand holds, plunge moulded... at the back are two holes for a landing gear down light and a reset button..

 

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..painted bronze green & detailed - the rubber is heat shrink tube, slit, kinked to get a flat and coaxed into shape, the gunsight mount is PE and the two holes have been filled with their bits from my box of watch spares..

 

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..and dry fitted

 

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..I also made up all the innards for the windshield, including the armoured glass mount (it will be two bits of glass laminated but hopefully will work..) and some inner framing I will cut to fit - the Xtracolour enamel I used is still drying - seems to be 12+ hours so I don't know if it's the levelling thinner I used or what, but I will have to wait until tomorrow to carry on :)

 

TTFN

Peter

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