Guest Peterpools Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Looks really complicated and way above my abilities but I pursue my greatest ability: to buy more PE and AM then I actually will ever use Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Barry Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Glad I got the book!. PE is next on my skills list. LSP_Kevin and airscale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgem37 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 You've got fronts and backs and tops and bottoms, it seems. Are you laminating PE? Thank you. Sincerely, Mark airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 You've got fronts and backs and tops and bottoms, it seems. Are you laminating PE? Thank you. Sincerely, Mark Hi Mark Yes, most parts are a laminate as when the metal is half etched to give relief it goes down to only being half the thickness so is not very stable and can curl... here you can see the main IP surround - the one on the left is full thickness, no etching other than its outline shape and the holes etc - this is a rigid part and forms the base on which the part on the right is laminated. That part is half etched everywhere except the light grey areas which are left full thickness - that way you build 3 dimensional relief for things like rivets, bezels placard plates etc but on it's own this part is pretty flimsy so needs the solid laminate base to make up one rigid, detailed structure.. the actual IP in the middle where the instruments go is one of three - a base, another one carrying bezels, and this one because on the P51the bezels are sort of flush with the panel but distinct in their own right.. the whole fret is made up of hundreds of components like these, mostly laminate assemblies and will be nickel Silver rather than brass as it has the same properties but chips to a realistic bare metal finish - so actually it looks more like this.. TTFN Peter BlackCanopy, daveculp, Greg W and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Lovely stuff for sure Peter. Its always a treat watching you work airscale, KiwiZac and daHeld 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCanopy Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Ha Pete, gotcha! I spot a grave divergence in your PE IP from the original, wheras in the second row of instrument holes (from the left) the second hole (from the bottom) has this extension in the lefthand bottom corner, which should not be attached to this hole, but to the other one, namely the first hole from the bottom and vice versa. You got it all wrong, got it? ((to the clattering sound of knitting)) A+ Joerg airscale and Kais 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunnus Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Always tons to learn on your builds, Peter! Thank you for sharing! airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Ha Pete, gotcha! I spot a grave divergence in your PE IP from the original, wheras in the second row of instrument holes (from the left) the second hole (from the bottom) has this extension in the lefthand bottom corner, which should not be attached to this hole, but to the other one, namely the first hole from the bottom and vice versa. You got it all wrong, got it? ((to the clattering sound of knitting)) A+ Joerg That is a fabulous spot Joerg - again you save me from myself.. just goes to show how manufacturer drawings only tell part of the story and the constant edict should be 'check your subject' - in this case the two instruments (Altimeter & Airspeed) have been swapped vs the drawing ..so take 2 - and this time with all the layers and the bespoke instrument decals that will also go with the model.. thanks again & I welcome anything like this to be pointed out as I can correct it - in this case via a new etch file to PPD TTFN Peter BlackCanopy, Greg W, sandokan and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCanopy Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) thanks again & I welcome anything like this to be pointed out as I can correct it - in this case via a new etch file to PPD What, you seriously gonna change this?!? Apparently I'm the king of them rivet counting nitpickers who like to point out minor "irregularities" in other peoples work! ... And I hope it's not too late for the file swap... Your bird will fly! (If nothing more) Edited May 16, 2018 by BlackCanopy airscale, daHeld and Kais 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 l am interested in how the structure goes with that framing or structural members behind the pilot Hacker airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggTim Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I'm gonna have to buy that book. I have a project in mind that I would love to have some custom PE for.... airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted May 19, 2018 Author Share Posted May 19, 2018 evening folks thanks for stopping by.. What, you seriously gonna change this?!? Apparently I'm the king of them rivet counting nitpickers who like to point out minor "irregularities" in other peoples work! ... And I hope it's not too late for the file swap... Your bird will fly! (If nothing more) Hell yeah I am going to change it - can't have known inaccuracies on my watch and actually I seriously value rivet counters, being one myself. I think anyone and everyone grows with the input they get, some are a bit fragile about how they take it so I guess it comes down to how it is put (and it does need careful thought by the contributor..), but for me I would rather know however the news was delivered than not know at all... ...I need people to be my wingman, thats part of why I am here l am interested in how the structure goes with that framing or structural members behind the pilot Hacker well, that will come fairly soon - somewhere on the fret is a big triangular part that is actually an assembly jig to get the angles & sizes of that rollover structure right, so once I get the PE I can make a start on it ..no assembly news today, but I have spent days on recreating all the placards and stuff for the bespoke decal sheet for the model. I will tack it on to an airscale stock order so will end up with lots and lots of copies, but at least I only need one of everything on the sheet and will have lots of spares placards, labels, the front of a Bendix radio in this pic.. ..fuel routing diagram, fuel controls, part of the control panel,trim control wheel labels etc in this one... ..instruments, throttle quadrant and IP bits & bobs to finish off... ..good to get this done while I wait for the PE and still need to add some external markings (most will be masks...) and see what is what for any decals I need outside the cockpit... TTFN Peter daHeld, MikeMaben, Jim Barry and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 ..no assembly news today, but I have spent days on recreating all the placards and stuff for the bespoke decal sheet for the model. I will tack it on to an airscale stock order so will end up with lots and lots of copies, but at least I only need one of everything on the sheet and will have lots of spares Too bad you can't made them a stock item in 1/24 and 1/32 they look great . The same goes for that PE fret l could use two of those in 1/32 but alas l wish beyond one's horizons. On the plus side it is good reference as l could make my own drawings and cut parts out in styrene on my cutter. There are always ways around a problem isn't there l also managed to acquire the 2018 Corel draw for myself. I am still trying to find my way around that. There a few things on there that is universal to other programs and a few..well exciting features that l want to explore and use. Hacker Hacker airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Peter Amazing work and your abilities to design and create PE component sets is out of this world. Keep ‘em comin Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgem37 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Good show, Peter. Did you trace or free-hand? Thank you. Sincerely, Mark airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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