Menelaos Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 On 7/11/2018 at 7:52 PM, Ivan Ivanovich said: Nyet, Japanese F-104J/DJ retained the Lockheed Banzai seats throughout their career. Additional intel from the GRU archives: The TF-104G boxing features two different nozzle types - " early closed" and "late open". JASDF Kamikazippers were powered by a Ishikawajima-Harima built J79-IHI-11A turbojets featuring the "early" convergent/divergent nozzle design. "Early closed": Much nicer than the original kit part: Eduard #632043, F-104 Exhaust Nozzle Early only if you build it "flying".... the nozzle is actually open when the 104 is on the ground with the engine shut down. So the closed nozzle is not for such a thing.... Ivan Ivanovich and Jack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 You're absolutely right. Good point, Menelaos. Early nozzle aperture as it should be on the ground on parked aircraft - open: Forced-closed early nozzle almost exclusively found on non-operational/displayed aircraft: (Italeri got it wrong for parked aircraft) Menelaos and Out2gtcha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I'm really looking forward to this kit. I'm just wondering how good the two holer cockpit can be represented OOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ivan Ivanovich said: You're absolutely right. Good point, Menelaos. Early nozzle aperture as it should be on the ground on parked aircraft - open: Forced-closed early nozzle almost exclusively found on non-operational/displayed aircraft: (Italeri got it wrong for parked aircraft) Actually the "open" nozzle was the only way to check the individual flexible parts of the exhaust on pre-flight inspection. And that goes for mostly all of the jet fighters, either single or twin engined. MikeC, Ivan Ivanovich and Menelaos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) On 7/11/2018 at 7:18 PM, Out2gtcha said: (...) Id be very interested in some Sq 207 markings or in general some JASDF F-104J/DJ markings or stencils. Would paint masks be an option? If so, feel free to shoot me a PM. Edited July 12, 2018 by Ivan Ivanovich Menelaos, LSP_K2 and Out2gtcha 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 here is the (long) nozzle of the german MTU version of the J79 similar to the nozzle of the F-4E J79-17. (pics are mine) Jack, Out2gtcha and LSP_K2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I know the Italiari TF-104 kit comes with the LAFB Bicentennial scheme 63-3076 from 1976. Its tough to tell from the pictures, can our F-104 experts chime in: - Exhaust = early? - Wheels = late? Im thinking of just doing an OOB TF-104 bird in that LAFB scheme, foiled with some Eduard wheels and Eduard exhaust. Tony T and Menelaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Out2gtcha said: I know the Italiari TF-104 kit comes with the LAFB Bicentennial scheme 63-3076 from 1976. Its tough to tell from the pictures, can our F-104 experts chime in: - Exhaust = early? - Wheels = late? Im thinking of just doing an OOB TF-104 bird in that LAFB scheme, foiled with some Eduard wheels and Eduard exhaust. nozzle is early, wheels the G-type Jack and Out2gtcha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Menelaos said: nozzle is early, wheels the G-type Guess Im not sure which is the G type........ Do you think they would have been early: or late: Late I assume? LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) you can distinguish the early from the late nozzle (if the pic is dark or so) from the "teeth" that protrude from the outer nozzle blades ... Edited July 13, 2018 by Menelaos Out2gtcha and Jack 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Out2gtcha said: Guess Im not sure which is the G type........ or late: Late I assume? yes late, the one with the thicker wheels. The A/B/C/D early wheels were all with holes on the rims The towseater above was a TF-104G Edited July 13, 2018 by Menelaos Out2gtcha and Jack 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaninaustria Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Some great info here guys - thanks for sharing! Really can’t wait to get this bird!! Cheers Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Maybe another interisting fact about German Air Force (despite their USAF markings) 58th TFTW TF-104G's: Unlike their regular GAF siblings, the birds stationed at Luke were the only two seaters in German inventory that have never been retrofitted with the J79-MTU-J1K engine with the late nozzle, retaining the original J79-GE-11A turbojet (early nozzle). The entire fleet of operational GAF F-104G/TF-104G models was re-engined between December 1970 and November 1973. 58th TFTW TF-104G's were skipped for logistical reasons. J79-MTU-J1K: Edited July 13, 2018 by Ivan Ivanovich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Out2gtcha said: I know the Italiari TF-104 kit comes with the LAFB Bicentennial scheme 63-3076 from 1976. Its tough to tell from the pictures, can our F-104 experts chime in: - Exhaust = early? - Wheels = late? Im thinking of just doing an OOB TF-104 bird in that LAFB scheme, foiled with some Eduard wheels and Eduard exhaust. :Hmmm: Wanting to do 61-3076 (above) but prefer the Aircraft Gray fuselage of 61-3082. Well, a NMF will last longer anyway, so 76 wins. But how to get that stainless steel coloured super shiny bit on the a$$ end? Tony Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Tony T said: But how to get that stainless steel coloured super shiny bit on the a$$ end? For the heat treated panels and some shiny panels...... And hopeful replication of the grained shiny parts similar to this: timvkampen, Seversky, Tony T and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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