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On 7/11/2018 at 7:52 PM, Ivan Ivanovich said:

 

Nyet, Japanese F-104J/DJ retained the Lockheed Banzai seats throughout their career.

 

Additional intel from the GRU archives:

The TF-104G boxing features two different nozzle types - " early closed" and "late open".

JASDF Kamikazippers were powered by a Ishikawajima-Harima built J79-IHI-11A turbojets featuring the "early" convergent/divergent nozzle design.

 

 

 

 

 

"Early closed":

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Much nicer than the original kit part: Eduard #632043, F-104 Exhaust Nozzle Early 

 

 

 

 

only if you build it "flying"....

the nozzle is actually open when the 104 is on the ground with the engine shut down. So the closed nozzle is not for such a thing....

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30 minutes ago, Ivan Ivanovich said:

You're absolutely right. Good point, Menelaos.

 

Early nozzle aperture as it should be on the ground on parked aircraft - open:

 

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Forced-closed early nozzle almost exclusively found on non-operational/displayed aircraft:

(Italeri got it wrong for parked aircraft)

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Actually the "open" nozzle was the only way to check the individual flexible parts of the exhaust on pre-flight inspection.

And that goes for mostly all of the jet fighters, either single or twin engined.

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I know the Italiari TF-104 kit comes with the LAFB Bicentennial scheme 63-3076 from 1976. 

Its tough to tell from the pictures, can our F-104 experts chime in:

 

- Exhaust = early?

- Wheels = late?

 

f104u3076.jpg

Im thinking of just doing an OOB TF-104 bird in that LAFB scheme, foiled with some Eduard wheels and Eduard exhaust. 

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2 minutes ago, Out2gtcha said:

I know the Italiari TF-104 kit comes with the LAFB Bicentennial scheme 63-3076 from 1976. 

Its tough to tell from the pictures, can our F-104 experts chime in:

 

- Exhaust = early?

- Wheels = late?

 

f104u3076.jpg

Im thinking of just doing an OOB TF-104 bird in that LAFB scheme, foiled with some Eduard wheels and Eduard exhaust. 

nozzle is early, wheels the G-type

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16 minutes ago, Out2gtcha said:

 

 

Guess Im not sure which is the G type........

 

 

 

 

 

or late:

 

EDU632046-2.jpg

 

 

 

Late I assume?

yes late, the one with the thicker wheels. The A/B/C/D  early wheels were all with holes on the rims  The towseater above was a TF-104G

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Maybe another interisting fact about German Air Force (despite their USAF markings) 58th TFTW TF-104G's:

 

Unlike their regular GAF  siblings, the birds stationed at Luke were the only two seaters in German inventory that have never been retrofitted with the J79-MTU-J1K engine with the late nozzle, retaining the original J79-GE-11A turbojet (early nozzle). The entire fleet of operational GAF F-104G/TF-104G models was re-engined between December 1970 and November 1973. 58th TFTW TF-104G's were skipped for logistical reasons. 

 

J79-MTU-J1K:

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5 hours ago, Out2gtcha said:

I know the Italiari TF-104 kit comes with the LAFB Bicentennial scheme 63-3076 from 1976. 

Its tough to tell from the pictures, can our F-104 experts chime in:

 

- Exhaust = early?

- Wheels = late?

 

f104u3076.jpg

Im thinking of just doing an OOB TF-104 bird in that LAFB scheme, foiled with some Eduard wheels and Eduard exhaust. 

 

:Hmmm:  Wanting to do 61-3076 (above) but prefer the Aircraft Gray fuselage of 61-3082. 

Well, a NMF will last longer anyway, so 76 wins. But how to get that stainless steel coloured super shiny bit on the a$$ end? 

 

Tony

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