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Requested a Ju 88 C-6 new variant. New nose, and some cockpit and canopy parts added to the A-4 boxing, et voila. Okay, revised box, decals and instructions too. Revell Germany seem as fond of nachtjager as many of us.

 

Sorry, didn't mention the P-51B. Rather see a later D.

 

Tony

 

Later D is bound to come mate. :)

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I'd really like to see whether those folks at RoG will deem a 100% new-tool B/C boxing promising enough to generate substantial sales figures in Germany, France and the UK, the latter two being RoG's core export markets. Revell's more recent 32nd scale releases, Ju 88s, Bf 109s, Fw 190s, Spitfires and the upcoming P-51D, are kinda "sure shots": iconic aircraft of WWII with an extremely high recognition factor even among occassional builders who are halfway familiar with WWII aircraft. Reasonably accurate, fairly easy to assemble at a reasonable and highly competitive price.

I daresay, a B/C boxing wouldn't sell particularly well here in Germany, mainly because a great deal of those kits will be offered via department stores, toy stores or even through major drug store chains - places where you will rarely find a die hard large scale modeller, let alone "connoisseurs like us". You'll rather see occasional customers and occasional model builders "accidentally" buying one. l also daresay, if folks think of a P-51 Mustang, the D-model will be the first version to cross their minds. Google pretty much agrees with it while performing a picture search typing "P-51 Mustang".

I, for one, have second thoughts as to RoG's willingness to trade poor sales figures in its domestic market, generating roughly 45% of their overall sales revenues, only for the prospect of decent sales figures in the UK or in the U.S via Revell USA. Even more so since a potential P-51B/C boxing will be an entirely new-tool kit. It wouldn't represent another "evolutionary" step like we've seen with their Ju 88, Bf 109, Fw 190 and Spitfire boxings.

 

You'll knever know what the folks at RoG will come up with...they're always interested, they're always open to discuss things but they really like to play things safe ("no-brainers") and they're always extremely budget-conscious and extremely retail-oriented. IMHO, a P-51B would be a big, big (and pleasant) surprise. We'll see.

 

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If Revell USA steps up to pay the R&D as well as the production of a P-51B/C, I see a greater chance. Indeed.

On the other hand, in 2015 and 2016 RoG performed extremely well, suggesting they're good at what they're doing and projecting.

 

Hobbico is mainly interested in RoG's most profitable part of the portfolio - RC.

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Interesting points, but... I'd say the imminent F/A-18E poses more of a risk applying the German domestic market criterion you set out.

 

There are already far more am decal sheets in 1/32 for the P-51B/C than there are for the F/A-18E, which speaks volumes.

 

Anyhoo... every year brings a raft of interesting releases, and long may it continue.

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First, I am NOT arguing, I'm discussing :)

 

Well, working from the nose to tail, the only things from a "D" kit that can still be used in a "B" are spinner, propeller, exhausts, carburetor intake, carburetor filters, exhausts, gun sight, rudder pedals, trim wheel, outboard landing gear doors, main landing gear legs, main wheels, elevators, flaps, radiator intake ring and duct, oil cooler matrix and flap, water cooler matrix and flap, tail landing gear, tail wheel, tail wheel doors, tail planes, elevators, rudder, tail light. That is indeed about 25% of the plane. All other parts need to be changed, some in small ways, some in radical ways and most of the other parts need to be completely redesigned.

 

The fuselage profile elevation is the same on both except for the upper fuselage

from the firewall to the front of the empenage. I'd say the portion that's the same

is easily 75%. The wing planform and thickness and dihedral is the same.
Obviously there were changes to the surfaces, ie panel lines as well as the cockpit. When you
include the overall contour and dimensions with the items listed, I still don't see a major difference.

I think we're considering two different aspects of the kit as percentages of the kit. I'm refering

only to the overall contour and dimension of the kit, not the detail parts like trim wheels and such.

 

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Interesting points, but... I'd say the imminent F/A-18E poses more of a risk applying the German domestic market criterion you set out.

 

There are already far more am decal sheets in 1/32 for the P-51B/C than there are for the F/A-18E, which speaks volumes.

 

Anyhoo... every year brings a raft of interesting releases, and long may it continue.

 

The Superbug a risk? Not necessarily...

 

The F/A-18E will mainly appeal to younger modellers, it's a contemporary aicraft, currently used during all major U.S. military interventions, etc. And that's excactly what RoG's targeting is about...attract younger, occasional builders, new to the hobby, maybe having grown up with their Star wars kits, etc. The Monogram/Revell P-51B kits have been around since the very early 1960s, late 1960s respectively. So it's quite natural you'll find more related AM stuff.

 

We are (including me) sorta young at heart "old farts" with very particular and somewhat clearly defined preferences, interests and, subject-wise, focusses. Connoisseurs, if you will. Revell will be happy to serve us but we're not their primary target audience.

 

I hope I'm wrong...because I'd really love to see a P-51B/C.

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Here is what I sent and Revell's response.

 

Me: Would love to see other 1/32 P-51 models such as B/C and marks after D-10 and later. I would also really love a 1/32 Stearman as nice as the 1/48 Revell released. A Vultee BT-13 in 1/48 and/or 1/32 would be great too.

 

Revell: Hi, Jim,

your mail is one of hundreds we received during the last few days regarding our upcoming P-51, most of them we don´t comment, because meanwhile we know, how important other versions of the Mustang are. But we would like to thank you for your additional new ideas for model kits, which we will put into our big list with other model ideas. We will discuss and calculate all these new ideas. But we need to do some pre-works for this meeting, which takes some time, so we are not able to give you any definite reply to your model suggestions. We are sure, you understand this. But anyhow, we will take care of your ideas.

Kindly with all the best regards

yours Revell GmbH from Germany

 

I'm not holding my breath waiting on any of them. :D

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Here is what I sent and Revell's response.

 

Me: Would love to see other 1/32 P-51 models such as B/C and marks after D-10 and later. I would also really love a 1/32 Stearman as nice as the 1/48 Revell released. A Vultee BT-13 in 1/48 and/or 1/32 would be great too.

 

Revell: Hi, Jim,

your mail is one of hundreds we received during the last few days regarding our upcoming P-51, most of them we don´t comment, because meanwhile we know, how important other versions of the Mustang are. But we would like to thank you for your additional new ideas for model kits, which we will put into our big list with other model ideas. We will discuss and calculate all these new ideas. But we need to do some pre-works for this meeting, which takes some time, so we are not able to give you any definite reply to your model suggestions. We are sure, you understand this. But anyhow, we will take care of your ideas.

Kindly with all the best regards

yours Revell GmbH from Germany

 

I'm not holding my breath waiting on any of them. :D

 

yep, ......a whole lot of BS (no offence)

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First, I am NOT arguing, I'm discussing :)

 

 

The fuselage profile elevation is the same on both except for the upper fuselage

from the firewall to the front of the empenage. I'd say the portion that's the same

is easily 75%. The wing planform and thickness and dihedral is the same.

Obviously there were changes to the surfaces, ie panel lines as well as the cockpit. When you

include the overall contour and dimensions with the items listed, I still don't see a major difference.

 

I think we're considering two different aspects of the kit as percentages of the kit. I'm refering

only to the overall contour and dimension of the kit, not the detail parts like trim wheels and such.

 

 

That's true.  If you're talking about the basic 3D CAD shapes for the outer skin, most of the shapes are the same or very similar.  But if you're talking about detailed kit design, those parts are completely different.  You don't just "Save As" and change the name from "P-51D" to "P-51B" and have at it.  Only the parts that Radu mentioned are absolutely identical.  The rest would require a completely new design and new tooling.

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That's true.  If you're talking about the basic 3D CAD shapes for the outer skin, most of the shapes are the same or very similar.

 

That 'is' what I was talking about.

 

 You don't just "Save As" and change the name from "P-51D" to "P-51B" and have at it.

 

Why not ? CAD programs can be copied (nicht wahr ?).

Remove that which isn't a B and add that which is.

Why rework that which is the same ?

 

Still, no one seems to know why the upper wing inboard LE

parts are seperate. They aren't in any other Mustang kit ...

except Tamiya's 1/32    :o

 

I wouldn't even ask Radu for obvious reasons.

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What is great and very encouraging is the fact that Revell is actually responding and acknowledging our requests.

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That 'is' what I was talking about.

 

 

Why not ? CAD programs can be copied (nicht wahr ?).

Remove that which isn't a B and add that which is.

Why rework that which is the same ?

 

Still, no one seems to know why the upper wing inboard LE

parts are seperate. They aren't in any other Mustang kit ...

except Tamiya's 1/32    :o

 

I wouldn't even ask Radu for obvious reasons.

 

OK, please allow me to put it this way: when working on a model, a project that can take a few months up to a year (or even more), the outside "skin" takes the first few weeks. The rest of the time is spent on creating parts. The parts must be created in a particular way in order to work as injection-moulded parts that fit each other. So, yes, we can create the outside shape of a Mustang B based on what we already have, yes, yes, you are absolutely right, but we do not have what goes inside... you know... the important bits. What you are saying is akin to saying "we have a bottle, how hard would it be to make the wine to fill it with"?  :)

 

As for your statement "why the upper wing inboard LE parts are separate" and why no one has ever explained it... well there is nothing to explain because there is no "separate upper wing inboard LE parts". The upper wing part is solid, all the way from the wingtip to the wing root, except for the gun ports that were made separate in order to show "drilled" gun openings. Check again. The bottom wing LE parts are separate because they had nothing to attach to. Check the parts and you will see it. 

 

As I said repeatedly, and I will say it again, it is not possible to make a "B" from this kit. A "B" would have to be a completely different design, a different project, a different time frame. 

 

HTH 

Radu 

 

Later edit: here is the IPMS Deutschland page showing the parts.

http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Revell/Preview_Rev_P-51D-5_Mustang_32/Rev_P-51D-5.html

 

Here is the wing top part with no separate leading edge inboard insert.

Rev_P-51D_06.jpg

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My bad (typo) I obviously meant 'lower' LE not upper.

 

Rev_P-51D_08.jpg

 

Yes the gun ports are better cast as a single unit rather than split,

but it also makes it easier to replace with 'other' gun ports.  :whistle: :rolleyes:

 

I would also disagree with a 'wine in a bottle' analogy as the cockpit,

is about the only 'internal' difference from a modeling perspective

between a D and a B. You could leave the cockpit the same in both

kits and most buyers wouldn't know or care about the difference.

I personally appreciate the fact that this kit does 'not' have and engine

or a super detailed cockpit. But that's just my opinion.

 

Thanks for your clarification Radu. I hope you won't look upon my

'opinions' as any contradiction of your position. It's quite obvious

that you know what you are doing. I would honestly like to thank for

the time and effort you have put into this project.

I have 4 kits on pre-order as a way of expressing my appreciation :thumbsup: :clap2:  :bow:

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