Jasta 14 addict Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Hi guy's, maybe this question is asked before, then if i tackle this up again. I understand that the Trumpeter F-8J is the better choice for a French Navy Crusader, but are there any other differences which i should keep in mind?? I know there is the Zacto Models correction set, is this also relevant for a French Navy Crusader?? In other words, i really want to do this right, Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyfoos Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Zacto to my knowledge doesn't have anything for the F-8. Maybe you're thinking about his A-7 correction? I'm not sure on the French F-8s but I thought they had the larger stabs, that would be F-8J kit, not the F-8E. You can't built a J OOB from the E kit. (edit, nevermind, you probably already knew that and were looking for other differences between French F-8 and US F-8, I can't answer that) Edited July 7, 2017 by ziggyfoos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 The (FN) also had the double droop leading edge, which again is a reason to use the F-8J kit. I don't remember Zacto doing anything for the F-8. The only stuff that I remember specific for the (FN) were the OOP Skyraider Model Designs decals and F-8(P) conversion set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Boillot Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) As the French carrier decks were significantly smaller and shorter than their US counterparts, the French "Crouze" had to have a lower landing speed and more controllability at high AoA, hence the double-droop wings LE, and bigger tailplanes. You effectively need to start from a "J" to get a French F-8 E (FN) Hubert Edited July 7, 2017 by MostlyRacers Lee White 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 The Aeronavale jets used different missiles, R530 etc There also appears to be a different AB ring in the French engine (well, Aries do it that way) with extra spray bars. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Boillot Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Indeed. Afterburners of the French J-57 P-20-A were modified in 1979. They were identical to their US counterparts (F-8E) before that. The French Crusaders were wired for the Matra R-530, but kept their wiring for US Sidewinders. Check which period you are trying to represent for a French aircraft Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain11 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 it depend the period you want to depict your "Cruze" : in 1989 some aircraft ( 17) were modified to F8 P ( P for "prolonge") they were rewired with electrical , and hydraulic Systems , and radar warning antennas were also added on top of the vertical fin '( check pictures these AC were painted PRU blue) according to the smaller French carrier , the wing incidence angle was increased from 3 to 5 degrees ( not sure if it worth it to fix this particularity) Berna decals has realised a decal sheet dedicated to the French "crusader " ref BD 3211 Alain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airfixer Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Timeframe is an important factor when it comes to Aéronavale Crouzes... F-8E(FN) in a nutshell/chronology: F-8E(FN) had their AN/ASS-15 IR sensor removed during the very first years of their career. By 1970, the IR sensor had gone. Lack of vertical tail RWR fairing Aéronavale F-8E(FN) retained the original Mk-F5AF seat Lateral VHF/UHF antenna introduced during the mid 1970s: http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/images/walk-around/image-00125.jpg Beginning from December 1978, introduction of the Matra R.550 Magic missile Beginning from 1979, new flame holder and revised afterburner nozzle: http://amaymodelesclub.org/walkarounds/F-8EFNP/F-8EFNP-Images/32.jpg Dorsal VHF/UHF antenna introduced during the early 1980s 1987, introduction of the overall blue-grey DA (Défense Aérienne) scheme 1989, Matra R.530 missiles retired 1990-1994, F-8P "Prolongé": (Only noting the most prominent and visible features) Mk-F5AF seat replaced by the Mk-F7A seat Vertical tail SHERLOC RWR and VOR antenna installation: http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/images/walk-around/image-00012.jpg New dorsal VHF antenna: http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/images/walk-around/image-00085.jpg Dorsal IFF antenna: http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/images/walk-around/image-00087.jpg Ventral IFF antenna: http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/images/walk-around/image-00117.jpg ...et al... HTH Erik Edited July 31, 2017 by Airfixer alain11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta 14 addict Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Zacto to my knowledge doesn't have anything for the F-8. Maybe you're thinking about his A-7 correction? Indeed, my mistake, stupid me which again is a reason to use the F-8J kit Yes i did noticed that when i did some reading regarding French Crusaders. There also appears to be a different AB ring in the French engine (well, Aries do it that way) with extra spray bars. So if i understand correctly, French Crusader where equipped with another engine then their US stable-mates?? Check which period you are trying to represent for a French aircraft A rather later period when they used the dark grey color scheme. Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta 14 addict Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 it depend the period you want to depict your "Cruze" : in 1989 some aircraft ( 17) were modified to F8 P ( P for "prolonge") they were rewired with electrical , and hydraulic Systems , and radar warning antennas were also added on top of the vertical fin '( check pictures these AC were painted PRU blue) according to the smaller French carrier , the wing incidence angle was increased from 3 to 5 degrees ( not sure if it worth it to fix this particularity) Berna decals has realised a decal sheet dedicated to the French "crusader " ref BD 3211 Alain Great info Alain, i'm learning something here, thank's all of you guy's for helping me out I already had the Berna decals in mind. Erik, thank's mate for this great info, this is a good starting point. Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 There were two sets available, plus rear engine intakes, you can see them here https://www.aviationmegastore.com/search/LH859569510bf6fc8b8c3065e4b8/_/p1/c/s32/f2988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta 14 addict Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 There were two sets available, plus rear engine intakes, you can see them here https://www.aviation.../p1/c/s32/f2988 Andy, thank's mate for this info, much appreciated. Notification already activated. Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Andy, thank's mate for this info, much appreciated. Notification already activated. Greetz Danny I wouldn't hold my breath. Skyraider Model Designs closed shop a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta 14 addict Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Hi Guy's, i just pulled this topic back out of the dust archives I'm planning to buy some aftermarket stuff for my Crusader project, so all the above tip's, which where very appreciated are all ready saved into my brain. But i still have some questions about the French cockpit compared with the J variant. I'm planning to buy the Aires cockpit set, so i had my eyes onto the Aires Crusader detail set. https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AIRE2100 Should this be the correct choice, also regarding the afterburner ring difference?? Thank's allot for the help. Regards Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheetah11 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Hi Danny You might also consider the Avionix cockpit. I used it on mine and the fit was great. Maybe someone on the forum can comment on the fit of the Aires pit. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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