Red Five Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Thinking again of doing the Echelon Lightning. To rivet or not to rivet. I've got close to a few painted lightnings and you see screws but few rivets and on bare metal aircraft (photos to follow) they are hardly visible. Opinions. Should I add them as it would look good or go for accuracy and just add screws and selected rivets where observed? Been mulling this one over for about a year! I know what Trumpeter decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainer Hoffmann Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Personally I'd go for accuracy. Why create details that are not present on the real thing? Of course, this assumes, that the lack of visible rivets is not just a feature of the museum specimen. Cheers Rainer MikeC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Five Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Some more views. BMF photos to follow. They are there but do difficult to see. By the way this one shoots down the runway with it's afterburners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Griewski Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I will/am only adding fasteners and screws to my Ecshelon Lightning vac kit (that I bought years ago from Jennings). Some access hatches are scribed but only fasteners are added. I do not own a Trumpeter kit so I save on Mr. Surfacer etc. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Griewski Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Nice Photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee White Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Thinking again of doing the Echelon Lightning. To rivet or not to rivet. Maybe the question should be "To plywood, or not to plywood"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Five Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Not plywood. I've touched that stabiliser and it's needed when it shoots down the runway with afterburners killing my hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderdriver Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No Rivets!! Please paul fisher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenshb Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 This was flushriveted, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rivets were puttied over. The fasteners one sees on the photos are screws or Dzus (or similar) fasteners with the exception of the bare metal panel. If you are doing a painted Lightning, I wouldn't add rivets as your photos demonstrate they aren't visible. However, if you are modelling a bare metal Lightning, then there will be some colour/shine contrast between the rivets and the surrounding sheet metal, and for these you can use HGW rivets in decal form. These will provide a suble contrast to the bare metal that will look quite convincing IMO. Jens paul fisher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee White Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Not plywood. I've touched that stabiliser and it's needed when it shoots down the runway with afterburners killing my hearing. Yes, I was reasonably certain that EE didn't use plywood on their jet- That paintwork makes it look like they did, tho- Chek and Red Five 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Griewski Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Yes, I was reasonably certain that EE didn't use plywood on their jet- That paintwork makes it look like they did, tho- Plywood seems like big trouble while moving toward Mach 2! Rick LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Yes, I was reasonably certain that EE didn't use plywood on their jet- That paintwork makes it look like they did, tho- A lot of museum aircraft are painted by roller these days, which tends to have that effect. Whether that's an authentic finishing technique, well the Black Buck mission Vulcans had their DSG undersides applied that way. As for the Lightning rivets I'd say yes on a natural metal airframe but no on a camouflaged one. But faint circles,not riveting wheel holes. A rivet wheel would work for the hardest part to do. And that hardest part, on both metal and painted Lightnings is the stainless steel nose ring. Which is hard because of the even spacing of the twin rows and the deceptively irregular shape of the intake ring. LSP_K2, Red Five and Rick Griewski 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Five Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I would like to do bare metal. I have near - thousand lightning pictures of which I was planning to upload a few on this thread but photobucket is on a go slow. Whatever I decide the nose ring has to be riveted. XR728 I believe is on the whole unrestored and (correct me if I'm wrong) is one of three taxiable lightnings in the UK. Nose gear wheel well. Rivets here. Yeah. I was underneath it This is from an unrestored Saudi F.6. It appears to be painted high speed silver. Close ups of XR728. I took loads of any surface features from all angles. From Duxford. There are a couple at Abingdon, one of which has an unrestored finish and has Saudi markings and you have to really look for the rivets I will have to send Kevin a few walkarounds I think. Edited March 15, 2017 by Red Five Uncarina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoggz Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The Lightning is one of the most 'thuggish' looking aircraft ever.. And I love it. wunwinglow, Red Five and marauderdriver 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncarina Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I love those reference photos! I have a stalled build, but I am filling the rivets: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=63103&hl=%2Blightning+%2B5mm Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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