TonyT Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Wholly hell, this is good stuff. A quick question that's prolly been answered already (Sorry if so) but how do you attach the ribs to the ceiling, so to speak? ...Guy you rivet them in with angled brackets The picture in post 519 you added Peter, ooks like it has a big bulge rivetted into the upper wing skin and the stiffener possibly curves up to it. tyre area you mean the wheel well Edited June 24, 2016 by TonyT Uilleann, airscale and David66 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 evening folks Wholly hell, this is good stuff. A quick question that's prolly been answered already (Sorry if so) but how do you attach the ribs to the ceiling, so to speak? ...Guy thanks for stopping by Guy - the ribs are bent as if they were a pressing so there is a flange on the top of each that goes one way, and a tab bent along the bottom going the opposite way - I just cement the tabs at the bottom to fix it Popped over to have a look and get some pics for you, but no one was in, will try next week, is there anything else you want shots off? Thanks Tony - I think I would take anything you can get! I know there are a few bits I am not sure about, but won't be working on them for a while. Things like the canopy sliding rails and fittings, the fuel filler behind the seat, the chin intake and whats in the mouth of it... I could go on but like I say, if it's no trouble I will take anything I had an email this morning from Ken who maintains TZ138 in Canada with some pics he took of the rib and wheel well and thankfully it is the type as seen above so I am pleased and can rest easy & just build them now.. thanks to Tony I had some great shots to work from - the most obvious feature is the 'L' shaped flanges that border the cutout for the leg... ..I tried making the 'L' section and bending it, that didn't work, I tried making the section and rivetting it, that didn't work either so after trial and error I ended up making a template, rivetting next, bending, then cutting.. ..the bending is best done by doing the flat bits first, and then nibbling the corner with flat nose pliers.. this is actually another test part before I worked out to rivet first.. ..again the fold tool being used, this time to break along scored lines and free the part... ..and one of ther finished ribs - this is the face side - once the walls around the tyre are done most of each end won't be seen.. ..and the leg side with some fittings for pipework... ..and in place.. ..now starting to work out how to do the walls - a test part being developed.. thats it for now TTFN Peter Hubert Boillot, TorbenD, LSP_Paul and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckT Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Wow! Just amazing. airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I think many of us would call it complete around now, but I suspect to Peter those are just the basics almost done. airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgem37 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Damn nice work, Peter. Sincerely, Mark airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahman104 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Excellent work on a very tricky part Peter! I've been musing over how to do curved pieces for a while now; very soon I'll be needing a lot of them! The wheel bays continue to impress, and I'm constantly learning valuable lessons from the master Cheers, Craig airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaxos345 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 John airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richdlc Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I've run out of superlatives! airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy! Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Your of pace of building is really incredible! Love how the updates just keep coming and never fail to please! Timmy! airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 thank you folks - appreciate you taking the time to leave encouraging comments, or just dropping in to see whats going on I am trying to get the wheel well shapes right, and looking at the real thing the opening where the wheel is has the lower wing skin just folded over for a cm or two and then the lining panels fix to this.. I decided to line the edge with litho to get a nice even working surface.. ..and then faired this down to skin level.. well, as with many things on this build, I wasn't happy with it after some cross checking so needed to do it again. I had printed a scale plan view from the Monforton book onto transparent copier plastic through my home printer - it was a nervous moment as I thought I might break it or the plastic might melt. The ink came out a bit wet, but while I had it I laid it over the wheel openings and they were not right in some places - up to a few mm out and the curves themselves were a bit off. I slept on it last night and wondered how to sort it out.. I could fill the edges, I could re-line it with some plastic and shape it, then it struck me - why not just use the plan to make the right shape in litho, strengthen it and fair it into the wing.. ..soon after that I had another brain fart and thought it would be better to recess the panel into the wing instead .. I marked out the shape and laid Dyno tape around the borders so it would be a good edge to 'scribe' against - only the scribing was done with a wide flat blade... ..the P38 filler that makes up the bottom of the wing took the treatment well and I was pleased with how neatly it came out.. ..I put a small square section stock around the hole itself and then faced that with litho too.. ..they both fitted well and are 100% accurate to plan ..you can see I also used the plan to set out where the inner wall linings meet the wing top skin and how the circle is offset which creates the angles the walls are set at... ..used the bits of plan in the wells as masks and went around the edges with a sharpie so I know where to build to - I also had to reskin one of the well roofs as I had made the litho too short - at the back the walls cant at quite an angle & go quite far backwards.. ...all I can say is thank goodness for the Monforton book - it makes it like building an old Guillows kit from a plan - just wheel out the drawing and make the parts.. it's going to get complicated now with curved angled walls - but thats for next time.. TTFNPeter Chek, TorbenD, Starfighter and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chek Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) I must be getting thick in my old age Peter, but I'll really need to re-read and study the photos several times until I understand all that! I realized I was getting doddery and confused at comment #510 - but hold on, I'll get there! Eventually. Edited June 26, 2016 by Chek airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwing Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Peter Tell what your room number is...I'll send cookies. It couldn't be any better Bud... G Edited June 26, 2016 by Ironwing airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ray Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Incredible. I might send a bottle of Scotch to go with Geoff's cookies... airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Thanks Tony - I think I would take anything you can get! I know there are a few bits I am not sure about, but won't be working on them for a while. Things like the canopy sliding rails and fittings, the fuel filler behind the seat, the chin intake and whats in the mouth of it... I could go on but like I say, if it's no trouble I will take anything Will do, I forgot my camera today as I was running late, the intake has a wire mesh up it to stop the big bits going down it, I have the drawings for the lower cowls somewhere. The 19 does not have the tank behind the seat installed, tails and fittings are easy, I might even have a drawing too. airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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