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New 1/32 F-4K/M (FG.1/FGR.2) Phantom kit announced by HKM

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Back on thread, anyone know Tommy Thomasson ? He'd be able to answer the Q about the NLG leg angle.

 

Tony

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Back on thread, anyone know Tommy Thomasson ? He'd be able to answer the Q about the NLG leg angle.

 

Tony

Tommy Thomason is a major contributor to the project.

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Good news Barry. I was in touch with Tommy a few years back and passed him all my F-111B photo stock. He flew FG.1s at McAir as a flight test engineer.

 

There are a number of shape or detail issues in existing kits, including the "flat" area aft of the NLG bay which actually is v-shaped in cross section, the lack of a tie-back hold point under the rear fuselage on cat-capable marks, and so forth.

 

Really looking forward to this beast.

 

Tony

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Doubtful. They are still in the process of recreating the Focke Wulf 190 family tree in 1/32, last time I heard. The Phantom series is all quarter inch to the foot sized.

 

Tony

That's not what I heard, 32-scale. But I've been wrong before.

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Monogram captured that 'v' keel on their 1/48 kits, as did Academy. Just didn't expect Academy to mess up the empennage. One reason why I'll await the Z-M offering before investing in any more 1/48 Phantoms.

Hasegawa missed it, and my Tamiya J is buried too deep in the stash to pull it to find out. (edit: Tamiya does portray the keel correctly).

Given Revell's general simplifications, I'd not expect it there either..

Edited by LSP_Typhoonattack

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This could get very interesting, since ZM has announced a Phantom and speculation has it that the kit will be a B. :hmmm:

 

Hey guys ... I don't know that much about post WWII jets ... so no idea what production type this Phantom will be from the photo's ... but from the blog mentioned below - they're starting with the 'J-type' and are ready to produce the entire series.

 

Doubtful. They are still in the process of recreating the Focke Wulf 190 family tree in 1/32, last time I heard. The Phantom series is all quarter inch to the foot sized.

 

Tony

 

... and I can't wait for those 190's to hit the market!! ...

 

That's not what I heard, 32-scale. But I've been wrong before.

 

No ... actually, it is 1/48 Bill ... In what appears to be a break from normal ZM policy of doing it in 1/32 and then re-releasing in 1/48 

 

I you look at the 'Old Man Blog' No.69 here from the IPMS Nationals in Ohio, it gets a mention and a prototype photo if you scroll about halfway down the page.

 

http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/en/sentiment/oyajiblog_069.html

 

Interestingly ... if you scroll about a quarter of the way down ... you see a bunch of museum shots ... one of a Beaufighter with the comments:

 

"Heyyyy! I want this baby too!!! ... Someday we'll make a kit!!" ... Oh, if only!!! :D

 

Rog :)

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Monogram captured that 'v' keel on their 1/48 kits, as did Academy. Just didn't expect Academy to f**k up the empennage. One reason why I'll await the Z-M offering before investing in any more 1/48 Phantoms.

Hasegawa missed it, and my Tamiya J is buried too deep in the stash to pull it to find out. (edit: Tamiya does portray the keel correctly).

Given Revell's general simplifications, I'd not expect it there either..

What's 1/48th scale ? (Just kidding)

 

The v-keel is there on the Tamiya kits but it's too subtle IMHO, or maybe the FG.1 was more pronounced(?)

Will have to unearth the Yeovilton photos.

 

Tony

 

Edit: not yet found the Yeovilton pics. I took several close-ups of the (clamped) doubly-extending oleo so will continue looking.

Edited by Tony T

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From what we can determine, the structure forward of the production break behind the cockpit was the same as the F-4J.  Aft of that it was almost completely different.  I would imagine the "V" in the keel area was identical to the J79 powered Phantoms.  It's just one of those subtle shapes that are so often missed on models.

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Back on thread, anyone know Tommy Thomasson ? He'd be able to answer the Q about the NLG leg angle.

 

Tony

It looks like you're correct, at least for the F-4K. According to a McAir drawing, its nose landing gear was raked aft by three degrees. I've added an illustration of the difference here using fuselage station information: http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2012/05/spey-powered-phantom-changes.html

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Some twenty sets being sold from Dunn Loring, VA.

 

Not available outside the USA, but if it was it would be £148 + £20 postage + £35 approx Customs duty and handling fee = >£200.

 

The "proper kit" from HKM will cost less and be better.

 

Tony

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If it's shipping from Dunn Loring, that's Dave Klaus trying to dump them.  

 

I can give you pretty much a 100% guarantee that the HK kit will be far superior and more accurate, and a WHOLE lot less work.  And no more money will go to Klaus (sorry...)

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