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New 1/32 F-4K/M (FG.1/FGR.2) Phantom kit announced by HKM

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10 hours ago, Chek said:

 

I took me 30 years to realise how undersized the Hasegawa 1/48th Phantom stabilizers were. I only noticed it by accident when comparing their Spey Phantom stabs and the F-4S ones with their earlier kits which had all had common sprues carried over from previous kits. Further investigation showed Monogram and Italeri (also want to say Esci but not totally sure now without an attic rummage) were also larger and correct.

 

I was surprised it seemed to not have been noticed before in the modelling world.

 

The very first 1/48 Hasegawa F-4 I built in 1983 had Monogram stabilators installed. It's as if the ones in the early kits were copied from plan drawings without factoring in the anhedral.

 

The Tamiya 1/32 F-4 does have its issues — poorly designed inlets, engine nozzles patterned by the 1/35 tank person, and avionics cooling scoops that need cutting back — but it's still arguably the best Phantom 2 in any scale. 

 

Tony 

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1 hour ago, Jennings Heilig said:

 

In any scale?  Don't think so.  In 1/32, for sure.

 

That's a matter of opinion Jennings, not fact.

 

Tony 

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It's a fact that the rear fuselage contours of the Tamiya Phantom are way too boxy looking and need modded.

 

I'm kinda hoping the forthcoming LIDAR'd Tan Model F-4E will accept the Tamiya nose, based on the mostly good congruity between the Tamiya and Revell F-14 and F-15 kits

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The Tamiya Phantoms, while good, are no where near the finesse of the F-16's, nor have the detail of the F4u or Mossie and are due for an upgrade. What are they, 25 years old?

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15 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said:

If you base it strictly on the number of items you need to fix to make it accurate, not really.  That’s objective, not subjective.

 

Items you need to fix is purely subjective.

 

When the 1/32 Su-33 shows we can begin to look forward to Tan Model's RF/F-4E. 

 

For now, the 1990s vintage Tamiya F-4J provides the best basis for a K/M conversion. I'd settle for new resin inlets, K NLG leg, the Spey burner cans and the fintop RWR, maybe with some frames to add to the rear fuselage to indicate what needs to be built up where, or vacform skin panels. I think that was the approach Derek was taking.  

 

Tony

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I would need to see some recommendations by some heavy-duty names and quite a few drawing/photo comparisons before spending that amount of money on a book of drawings.

One thing I've learned since days of innocence and naive trust in plans carried over from the print era of model media to the digital era is that 99% of plans are glorified general arrangement drawings, and not any sort of last word on the 3-D reality..

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1 hour ago, ghatherly said:

Just as I suspected,  gossip.

 

I recall, in a previous thread, Frank Mitchell saying he got his sums wrong with regards how much bigger they were. If you look at the Wild Hare intakes they don't curve inwards towards the intake opening, you can see it clearly in the second photo here. If you have either or both Double Ugly British Phantom books you should be able to find suitable photos to compare.

 

I visited Hendon after all the was discussed, and you can't see the engine fan, on the real thing, as in the first photo of the model.

 

It's not gossip, the Cutting Edge Peace Jack nose is inaccurate, as is the Revell Mig 29, and so many other models, sadly.

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1 hour ago, Kagemusha said:

 

I recall, in a previous thread, Frank Mitchell saying he got his sums wrong with regards how much bigger they were. If you look at the Wild Hare intakes they don't curve inwards towards the intake opening, you can see it clearly in the second photo here. If you have either or both Double Ugly British Phantom books you should be able to find suitable photos to compare.

 

I visited Hendon after all the was discussed, and you can't see the engine fan, on the real thing, as in the first photo of the model.

 

It's not gossip, the Cutting Edge Peace Jack nose is inaccurate, as is the Revell Mig 29, and so many other models, sadly.

Did you read Dave Klaus's notes at the end of the link you posted above?    He confirms the accuracy of Frank's build and that it was not in error nearly as much as Frank thought it was.

 

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7 hours ago, ghatherly said:

Did you read Dave Klaus's notes at the end of the link you posted above?    He confirms the accuracy of Frank's build and that it was not in error nearly as much as Frank thought it was.

 

 

And he measured the beast itself. I do wonder where the original molds ended up. That would help a company further that would be willing to take this further. Until then, not much alternatives, my price lowered a bit :) . ZM is still my best bet I think

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