Derek B Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) On 10/14/2022 at 9:04 AM, Starfighter said: Brilliant work, Derek! Just playing devil's advocate and I know you know the real thing inside out - are you sure the DACO drawings are correct? Hi Ben, I think that Colin pretty well answered your question and also provided reassurance to me that I am on the right lines! Both DACO and Hargreaves drawings are very close together in agreement for overall length and shape - these also 'look right' when compared against aircraft photographs. The Warpaint drawings do look somewhat 'compressed' in comparison, which results in a deeper and shorter ventral tank, which Trumpeter may have used? (from Colin's observation, the Trumpeter EE lightning F.1A/F.3 ventral fuel tank also suffers from the same fatness, depth and length issues as the F.6/F.2A kit!). Compare these images to the Trumpeter kit: My ventral tank will be the non-cannon fuel only type (second picture above), which has a slightly more conical' forward bottom than the cannon version. Regards Derek Edited October 17, 2022 by Derek B Greg W, Victor K2, Anthony in NZ and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Stevepd said: 6.5mm here, 5.5mm there. Keep going as it’s a great project you are doing. Thanks Steve...that additional 6.5 mm makes all of the difference in the world! Cheers Derek Stevepd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Yup this is real modelling in my book. Studying, planning and correcting. Nothings perfect (although it seems some of these new kits coming out are pretty darn close) and your doing amazing. I suspect many wouldn’t realise the issues and differences/corrections like my Phantom but if you enjoy it, like I do then it’s all worthwhile. We all on LSP benefit from projects like this Super cool and so nice to see your skills at work again Cheers Anthony Stevepd, Derek B and Starfighter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 7:23 PM, Anthony in NZ said: Yup this is real modelling in my book. Studying, planning and correcting. Nothings perfect (although it seems some of these new kits coming out are pretty darn close) and your doing amazing. I suspect many wouldn’t realise the issues and differences/corrections like my Phantom but if you enjoy it, like I do then it’s all worthwhile. We all on LSP benefit from projects like this Super cool and so nice to see your skills at work again Cheers Anthony Thank you for the very kind words Anthony...I could easily say the same thing about your work! Knowing what you want to achieve is half the battle - the rest of the battle is how to do it! (and there are many roads to accomplish that particular goal). In short, don't fear the scalpel or saw! Cheers Derek Stevepd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 This is exceptional - the Lightning is one of my all-time favourite aircraft and I've had to settle for a few of the Trumpeter kits over the years rather than the gorgeous kit that is the Echelon version - they always sell for a fortune when they come up! Seeing your very effective corrections has got me thinking that I may have a go at correcting one of my Trumpy kits - you have certainly improved the overall shape no end and it definitely reduces the 'stumpy' appearance very effectively. Hmmmm.... Looking forward to more! All the best, Tom Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfighter Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 That's the right mindset for sure, Derek - it has to look right. Like I said, I just wanted to play devil's advocate. I am sure the modified model will look spot on! Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Starfighter said: That's the right mindset for sure, Derek - it has to look right. Like I said, I just wanted to play devil's advocate. I am sure the modified model will look spot on! Don't worry, I understood Ben! (BTW, your scratch builds are an inspiration to me, so keep up the fantastic work!). Cheers Derek Starfighter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 6 hours ago, tomprobert said: This is exceptional - the Lightning is one of my all-time favourite aircraft and I've had to settle for a few of the Trumpeter kits over the years rather than the gorgeous kit that is the Echelon version - they always sell for a fortune when they come up! Seeing your very effective corrections has got me thinking that I may have a go at correcting one of my Trumpy kits - you have certainly improved the overall shape no end and it definitely reduces the 'stumpy' appearance very effectively. Hmmmm.... Looking forward to more! All the best, Tom Thanks Tom. After seeing your work, that is high praise indeed! (thank you). Most of the kit issues can be sorted to make the kit more accurate, it is just something that shouldn't really be necessary in the first place! The biggest problem is the shape of the windscreen, canopy and whole cockpit area, which is really difficult to correct without major rebuilding of the that part of the fuselage, so I have elected not to tackle that on this build (I shall, however, use the Aerocraft Models windscreen and canopy, which goes a long way to improving the finished appearance). The ventral tank shape is almost as bad as the canopy error, but at least that is fixable, as you can see. The wing fix was easier than I expected (only a couple of hours work for each wing). The undercarriage is already too long, but when I have managed to correct the ventral fuel tank depth, I expect it to look even more stalk-like, so I may have to chop it down even further! I am just thinking about how to modify the spine? (it is too high at the fin; it should taper more). Some cut the spine and push it into the fuselage at the back - a quick and easy fix, but I feel that the panel line will then be at the wrong angle and require complete rescribing. I think that I will wait until I join the fuselage halves together and then sand the taper into it (hopefully without going through the plastic!). Cheers Derek Greg W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 More work on the ventral fuel tank... Derek Greg W, Anthony in NZ, Rockie Yarwood and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) Original kit ventral fuel tank arrester hook fairing (left) and modified one (right). Modified fairing in place. Derek Edited October 18, 2022 by Derek B Anthony in NZ, Greg W, Victor K2 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 Time to make a mess! Work on the ventral fuel tank continues...The basic shape is now completed, but refinement is required. Derek Fanes, Victor K2, Out2gtcha and 17 others 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Kevin Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Superb shaping work, Derek! Kev Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, LSP_Kevin said: Superb shaping work, Derek! Kev Thanks Kev - I haven't used any shape formers for this, just the good old eyeball! Derek LSP_Kevin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevepd Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Good old milliput, I’m doing a Harrier GR.5 at the mo with a Milliput nose. Last time used it was around 82/83!. Great work and a pleasure to follow along Anthony in NZ and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaninaustria Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Really amazing work! Cheers Alan Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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