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Craig,

 

Nosepiece, cockpit windshield/windows/dome, waist windows and tailcone; each presented their own unique challenge. You took a pragmatic approach with each hurdle and threw in a whole lot of determination. Even in their "rough" stages, your tenacity yielded some mighty fine results. You mentioned you "dreaded" the ever problematic tranparencies, but I think it's safe to say you are over the hump. Once refined and polished, your "clear" parts --- usually the bane of B-17 models --- are really going to be one of the numerous standout features of your C.

 

Great work!

 

Terry

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My word - very impressive Craig

 

I have an allergy to transparencies so I get scared watching what you are doing

 

that said. you are making it look easy so maybe I need to man up when the time comes :)

 

I love every minute of this build..

 

Peter

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Wow Craig!

 

This is such an amazing build and impressive scratch building of the highest order. Best of all, when she's done, you'll have something that no one else will have with a "C" model. Damn that is unbelievable cool.

 

Cheers,

Wolf

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20 hours ago, TKB said:

Craig,

 

Nosepiece, cockpit windshield/windows/dome, waist windows and tailcone; each presented their own unique challenge. You took a pragmatic approach with each hurdle and threw in a whole lot of determination. Even in their "rough" stages, your tenacity yielded some mighty fine results. You mentioned you "dreaded" the ever problematic tranparencies, but I think it's safe to say you are over the hump. Once refined and polished, your "clear" parts --- usually the bane of B-17 models --- are really going to be one of the numerous standout features of your C.

 

Great work!

 

Terry

 

This has definitely been a build of innumerable firsts Terry, but at the end, what have I got to lose? If I stuff up a part, I make a new one :) and hopefully learn from the mistake and not repeat it! Hahaha

 

12 hours ago, airscale said:

My word - very impressive Craig

 

I have an allergy to transparencies so I get scared watching what you are doing

 

that said. you are making it look easy so maybe I need to man up when the time comes :)

 

I love every minute of this build..

 

Peter

 

Many thanks Peter!

 

I remember all the "fun" you had with your Spit, but you DID nail it in the end! I feel I have come to an understanding with Acrylic, and it seems to be working for me, so I'd very much imagine that you'll be able to coax it to your will with your magician-like skills :) Acrylic definitely is the way to go my friend!

 

6 hours ago, Wolf Buddee said:

Wow Craig!

 

This is such an amazing build and impressive scratch building of the highest order. Best of all, when she's done, you'll have something that no one else will have with a "C" model. Damn that is unbelievable cool.

 

Cheers,

Wolf

 

Thanks Wolf! Great to hear from you!

 

Hahaha, yes you're right! I'll have not very much of a HK B-17 that took an awful long time! ;) But it will be worth it! I can't wait to get the fuselage all closed up, and get working on that beautiful aluminium finish!

 

Mid-week mini update before things get hectic for about a month again! 

 

I thought you guys would be keen to see what the tail cone looks like with the rest of the tail in place (I know I was!)

 

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Not bad... line-up looks good, but how does it measure up with the rudder in play?:hmmm:

 

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Not too shabby at all! For those that are familiar, the tail cone does stick out a little further than the edge of the fin. For a while I was worried I was going to come up short!

 

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I'd love nothing more than to fit it to the fuselage now, but there's some hoops to jump through first....

 

Hoop 1. Polishing.....

I think it was Torben who was asking about how I was going to polish the acrylic, the answer is SLOWLY and WET. Only done a little tonight on one half, but it seems to be working so far. Both inside faces had a fair amount of distortion due to imperfections in my hydrocal casts (Should have had a better finish on these!), but patient sanding with a 400 grit sanding stick, followed by progressive grades of 3M sanding sponges, up to microfine, seems to be going well. I haven't use any form of polish or micromesh yet, so it should look even better after that, if the one on the right is anything to go by!

 

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Hoop 2. The tailcone needs to be one piece prior to final fitment onto the fuselage. This can't happen without Step 1, so each side needs to be internally as flawless as I can make them, as I won't be able to get inside once they're joined together.....

 

Hoop 3. Both fuselage halves need to be joined. 

Well hoop 3 is going to take a while to sort out for obvious reasons, but in the meantime there's plenty of polishing practice for me!

 

Cheers,

 

Craig

 

 

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Craig,

 

Quoting you from Post #1, 12/22/14 --- "turn it into something resembling a D." The aft fuselage is the most defining characteristic of the C/D and your "taped together, in the rough" photos bear out that you have gone beyond simply "resembling!"  I certainly hope your arm was long enough to reach back and give yourself a pat on the back!

 

Good thing you've taken photos from the beginning. Once you've skinned her into a gleaming B-17C, no one will believe the meld of different materials you brought together to achieve the end result.

 

You've plainly mastered utilizing acrylic to fabricate parts as well as vacuforming it. Compared to the frailty of other vacuform mediums, acrylic does offer substantial solidity and workability. I can only imagine the nightmare of attempting to join the tailcone halves pulled from the usual materials. Judging from how nicely the tailcone is polishing out, the tail lights will certainly not be "lost" in distortion.

 

Keep astounding us --- MAESTRO!

 

Terry

 

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On 2/7/2019 at 10:55 PM, Out2gtcha said:

Good show man!

 

Many thanks Brian!

 

On 2/8/2019 at 2:18 AM, TKB said:

Craig,

 

Quoting you from Post #1, 12/22/14 --- "turn it into something resembling a D." The aft fuselage is the most defining characteristic of the C/D and your "taped together, in the rough" photos bear out that you have gone beyond simply "resembling!"  I certainly hope your arm was long enough to reach back and give yourself a pat on the back!

 

Good thing you've taken photos from the beginning. Once you've skinned her into a gleaming B-17C, no one will believe the meld of different materials you brought together to achieve the end result.

 

You've plainly mastered utilizing acrylic to fabricate parts as well as vacuforming it. Compared to the frailty of other vacuform mediums, acrylic does offer substantial solidity and workability. I can only imagine the nightmare of attempting to join the tailcone halves pulled from the usual materials. Judging from how nicely the tailcone is polishing out, the tail lights will certainly not be "lost" in distortion.

 

Keep astounding us --- MAESTRO!

 

Terry

 

 

Thanks Terry! Yours and everyone else's ceaseless words of encouragement are what keeps a build like this going, especially after all this time!

 

Well now, where did that last month go? Oh yeah that's right, I was in NZ for a week, then two days at home, then down to Avalon with work. Oh how times flies - literally!!!!!

 

I finally had a quietish weekend (notwithstanding getting my house broken into and laptop stolen) and I really wanted to have a crack at covering the waist windows with aluminium. As these are riveted over the top of the existing skin, I can get them all ready to go now, then place them on at a later date (about June, 2035 at my rate!).

 

This like many other aspects of this build, promised to be highly challenging, especially as there is a formed depression in the metal to meet the rear of the window, as well as the openings for the wind deflectors and the forward observation window. Have a look below at how the adventure unfolded......

 

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First up was to cut the piece oversize and anneal if for forming the depression. I did this over the "inside" of the acrylic frame I had already made. The unfortunate by-product being that the metal was now very soft, so removing the three apertures for the windows was quite tricky and very time consuming....

 

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Slowly, I began to make headway, but I really needed a solid support so I didn't unnecessarily distort the shape. I vac formed another piece of the fuselage section and taped the piece inside so as to keep the curvature....

 

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Trying to get a nice shape to the front window was extremely difficult, and took a lot of filing then rechecking against the reference pics...

 

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I finally got there though, and with rivets applied (heaps of fun!) it was glued in place on the acrylic window sill....

 

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A close up of the front showing the rivets to good effect.

 

A little more shaping of the wind deflector port there and it's not looking too bad!

 

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Yet a bit more whittling and the previously shaped waist window fits nicely!

 

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Still got to line the windows with aluminium, but it does fit! Yay!

 

I also redid the top cap on the tail cone to make it look a bit neater..... not entirely how they did it in real life but this piece is small!!!!!

 

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I promise I'll start the tail wheel soon!

 

Cheers,

 

Craig

 

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Craig,

It's an understatment, but ----- AMAZING!

On its own, without your support piece, it looks to be very delicate. Once it's permanently in place in the fuselage opening hopefully that won't be an issue.

The fit of the window shows a lot of patience and skill on your part! For sure you have to make the gun mount totally functional so you can "pop" the windows and swing the .50s inward and then out into firing position. Sounds daunting, but I'm sure with some brass tubing, plastic and a whole lot of Craig --- you'd pull it off! Hmmmm? Maybe a couple of spare windows so you can have them setting near Blk#8 and be seen when you "pop" the windows! Yeah, ideas --- I have a million of them!

Your tail cone may not be exactly as the original was fabricated, but in the end it will impossible to see the difference and will "look the part." If it weren't for you pointing it out, believe me, no one here would be calling you out on it!

 

Terry

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On 3/11/2019 at 4:58 PM, TKB said:

Craig,

It's an understatment, but ----- AMAZING!

On its own, without your support piece, it looks to be very delicate. Once it's permanently in place in the fuselage opening hopefully that won't be an issue.

The fit of the window shows a lot of patience and skill on your part! For sure you have to make the gun mount totally functional so you can "pop" the windows and swing the .50s inward and then out into firing position. Sounds daunting, but I'm sure with some brass tubing, plastic and a whole lot of Craig --- you'd pull it off! Hmmmm? Maybe a couple of spare windows so you can have them setting near Blk#8 and be seen when you "pop" the windows! Yeah, ideas --- I have a million of them!

Your tail cone may not be exactly as the original was fabricated, but in the end it will impossible to see the difference and will "look the part." If it weren't for you pointing it out, believe me, no one here would be calling you out on it!

 

Terry

 

Sure thing Terry; and a little "Tripoli" in an oxygen mask too! :)

 

Well the last two months have been absolute chaos, but I did finally manage to slip in a few days at Easter to regain my sanity and do a little work on the Fort.


I was at a classic procrastination point. The bathtub needed the internal walls so I could start detailing the gunner's station but the internal walls also formed the basis for the floor near the entry-way into the rear fuselage. The internal walls needed to be positioned so I could make the gunner's cushion, but the bathtub couldn't be positioned permanently because I hadn't closed up the fuselage, and wouldn't be doing so for a long time....... :hmmm:

 

After much dry fitting and fettling, I made the two internal "walls." These were painstakingly shaped to fit and lined with litho. They also had lightning holes which also had to line up with the outer observation window when everything was together..... No pressure.......total chicken and egg scenario!  :frantic:

 

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Like the radio room, I made a slot of the gun ring to slide in and did my best at trying to simulate a cushion (sculpture is clearly not my strong point!)

 

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Each side, once lined and detailed had to be glued in place using the bathtub taped in position to ensure alignment.... never have I wanted another hand and smaller fingers than now!!!! After a fair amount of effort, I had both sides in and glued. Surprisingly, both the bathtub AND the left hand fuselage could still be removed! Win!!!!

 

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Now for a few shots to show you how it all fits together....

 

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Note: Bathtub position can still be adjusted to line up the holes better :)

 

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This one is from the radio room hatch looking down....

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And it's still all removable!

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Pretty happy with that! Now I can finally get to grips with that floor, which will led to gun mounts and all the other details that I've been needing to do but couldn't until I sorted this!

 

I'm taking some time off work soon, so hopefully I can get a good run on this and edge her a bit closer to the end!

 

Cheers,

 

Craig

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Very nice work but at the same time with all that light guage metal, you wouldn't want to be up in one of those if someone was cross with you and trying to do something about it.

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Craig,

 

Really some fantastic metalwork on the "bathtub --- not to mention ingeneous planning! You have your own "think tank" going on in your head!

 

"Your" bathtub photos, with the fuselage structure in the background are looking like they came out of a manual or from the on-line photos of the "Swoose" replica bathtub --- except yours are sharper and clearer!

 

The cushion sculping came out fine; I'd tone down the wash in the creases and buttons just a tad. Looks a little to high contast. Might just be to much shine. Just my taste, though. Bottom line is it looks like a cushion and not a "slab."

 

Keep it up, Craig. That light at the end of the tunnel gets closer and closer. Once you get her finished, everyone who hasn't followed along here is going to be asking who put out the B-17C kit and where can I order one!

 

Terry

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On 4/30/2019 at 6:47 PM, Gazzas said:

Amazing, Craig!  Just loving this build.

 

Gaz

 

Thanks Gaz! :)

 

On 4/30/2019 at 7:48 PM, DeanKB said:

Bloody hell.

 

Cheers mate! :)

 

On 5/1/2019 at 4:25 AM, Chek said:

Very nice work but at the same time with all that light guage metal, you wouldn't want to be up in one of those if someone was cross with you and trying to do something about it.

 

Ain't that the truth Chek! There was some rudimentary armour plates installed at various locations, but it wouldn't have done much against a zero's 20mm. Psychological at best!

 

On 5/1/2019 at 6:45 AM, TKB said:

Craig,

 

Really some fantastic metalwork on the "bathtub --- not to mention ingeneous planning! You have your own "think tank" going on in your head!

 

"Your" bathtub photos, with the fuselage structure in the background are looking like they came out of a manual or from the on-line photos of the "Swoose" replica bathtub --- except yours are sharper and clearer!

 

The cushion sculping came out fine; I'd tone down the wash in the creases and buttons just a tad. Looks a little to high contast. Might just be to much shine. Just my taste, though. Bottom line is it looks like a cushion and not a "slab."

 

Keep it up, Craig. That light at the end of the tunnel gets closer and closer. Once you get her finished, everyone who hasn't followed along here is going to be asking who put out the B-17C kit and where can I order one!

 

Terry

 

Thanks Terry, agreed about the cushion. I'll tidy that up a bit later on.... still got a while before that gets attached permanently!

 

On 5/16/2019 at 2:39 AM, tomprobert said:

I haven’t checked in for a while, Craig. There are some serious skills on show here and your metal work is exquisite. I really enjoyed catching up. 

 

Tom

 

Always a pleasure Tom! I still don't know how you do what you do with the vacform kits, and where on earth are you going to put a Sunderland when you're done!?

 

With all the discussion and research on the E/F correction, there's been very little time to lavish on my first love. She sits patiently on the bench waiting for me....... I did finally find the time to do some "contributary" work towards the project though!

 

In order to begin "fitting out" the rear fuselage, I needed a lot of oxygen bottles and ammo cans, both big and small. You may recall that a while ago (probably two years) I made some masters of each and resin copies, but I was never really happy with them (air bubbles, warpage etc). Ever since I brought the photon, it had brought to light just how poor my CAD work was; I thought I'd made an amazing drawing, only to have half of it "disappear" when I brought it into the print setup page! Very disheartening I can tell you!

 

Tim (Wunwinglow) had done his best to explain why my drawings sucked, but I still couldn't understand why they didn't work, which then kind of put me off trying to do detail parts for a while. Anyway, an enforced break is good for the mind so coming back into it, I was determined to get on top of this Rhino stuff. The light bulb moment came when in one line of a youtube tutorial the dude mentioned the command Select Open Surfaces or "SelOpenSrf." I'd seen all sorts of other tutorials about things like "manifold" and "non-manifold" edges, but for a simpleton like myself with no formal CAD training, none of this made any sense. Anyway I used the command and bang! Had it sorted in no time!  :yahoo:

 

Still got lots of little errors to work on, but I am getter better. Anyway, here's what you're all reading this for:

 

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Yeah it's not 100%, but at the size it is (4.5mm wide) even the photon will struggle with any crazy amount of surface detail, so I stuck to the basics.

 

While I was at it, I also made the tall one for the radio room and bathtub guns (and these are good for the E/F too!)

 

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I then made some oxy bottles, and put them all on the bed ready to print.

 

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Just over 2 hours later.....

 

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I also compared these with the one I made a while ago (the new ones were made from factory drawings, as opposed to comparing pictures like I did last time)

 

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Probably just as well I redid them!

 

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As you can see, the oxy bottles aren't quite smooth, but at least they're round and aren't riddled with air bubbles! :)

 

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Given my recent success with understanding Rhino better and the results here, I'll continue to make the myriad of little fittings that need to go throughout the fuselage, especially the oxy panels and intercom boxes.

 

I leave for a big trip to the US in a few days where I'll be visiting the MOF in Seattle, Desert Rat in Illinois and the cherry on top: A ride in EAA's Aluminium Overcast at Oshkosh!!!!! :punk::punk::punk::punk:

 

Cheers,

 

Craig

 

 

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