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1/32 P-38L "Kicked Up A Notch". Jan 15/16: FINISHED!

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Thanks!  What I really need is a pic from the top of the wing to show what the aileron looks like from that angle.  Tough to find, I know, but there's a few in the second link I posted above that says the Trumpeter kit is wrong.

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Does that help Chuck

 

YES!  Thanks man.  This is the first pic I've seen from the top that proves the lip is on the bottom AND the top, even if it's hard to see.

 

Again thank you,

 

Chuck

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Absolutely gorgeous work on the cockpit Chuck! The use of Roy's data stencil decals really brings it to life. It looks like you used the HGW seatbelts and seat survival pack from their Mustang set too. Nice touch.

 

Cheers,

Wolf

 

:popcorn:  :thumbsup:

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Hi Chuck:

 

     Have been watching this thread, some really nice work!  Here's a scrap of the Superscale drawing showing how the trailing edge of the aileron is constructed. It's right in the center of the drawing.  The ailerons, rudders, and elevators are constructed this way, as well as half way around the wing tips and the horizontal stab tips.  The top edge of the aileron is the hinge point, and a piano hinge is used so there is just the piano hinge showing on the top of the wing, as shown in Vandy's picture.  The bottom surface has a small gap, as shown in the other pictures.  The drawing shows the aileron side view at station 182.  Trumpeter totally missed these two items.  

 

 

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Chuck:

 

     I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to add something regarding the radio gear used in the Trumpeter kit and the Cutting Edge replacement for future reference by anyone wanting to build a P-38 from the 1943-45 era.  Trumpeter copied the radio equipment that is installed in the P-38L at the Air Force Museum.This installation is nicely covered in the Aero Detail book on the P-38, and a few shots of it are also in Detail and Scale Vol. 58.  But, while this an SCR-274N radio set, it is not the set-up seen as used in the P-38.  Cutting Edge spruced up this same set with some nice detail additions, but then removed the radio controls on the right sidewall and added an SCR-522A radio set control in their place!  A real head scratcher.  Here is the set-up used in the P-38 for each radio:

 

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Not necessarily a problem for the restored airplane you are depicting, as you can say "We used what we had......"  Your finish work is just excellent!

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Hey Johnny, thanks for all the input!  Please continue to post things here about the P-38 as you see fit.  My other builds over at ARC always had experts on the aircraft I was building chime in now and again, which really added to the value of the thread, so keep it coming!

 

I noticed quite a few differences in the radio equipment myself while doing research on colors and cable placement and I had no doubt that some things were right while others were wrong, assuming accuracy was a priority.  For this build my focus is on "pretty" vs. "accurate" as sort of a holiday from what I usually do, which is to sweat all the tiny details.

 

Getting back to the ailerons, am I correct to assume the lip that wraps around the aileron to wingtip is centered and would look about the same on the top and the bottom?  That seems to be what I'm thinking now.

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That's right Chuck, it's the same on the top and bottom.  What I've done in the past is thin the trailing edges of the top and bottom aileron parts just a bit. then insert a piece of .005 plastic card between the two parts at the trailing edge as you assemble then.  You then trim this "tab" to the contour of the aileron trailing edge, but let it protrude slightly.  This is how the real airplane is, this "tab" protrudes past the trailing edge of the wing about a half inch.  It's the same on the rudders and elevators too, as well as half way around the wing tips and horizontal stab tips.  I'm not home right now, but I have pictures that show this.  I'll try and dig them up later this evening.

 

John

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@  P-38 Johnny  Your avatar  is that Lefty Gardner's White Lightnin P-38 L?    Now is Red Bulls?

 

This is the wing of Tony LeVier's Racing P-38L

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Hi Vandy:

 

Yes, that is me with White Lightning at Reno back in the mid 80's. It is such a gorgeous airplane now with Red Bull.

 

I think you mean Gary Levitz, not Tony LeVier. Gary raced that airplane till its gear collapsed in the pits at Reno, I think in '83.

 

John

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Thanks guys for the info!

 

March 15/15

A small update, but after a lot of work.  As noted above, the trailing edge of the aileron looked weird because there was an overlapping tab that seemed too long on the bottom.  A quick review of reference pics shows that this tab exists on the bottom, but I couldn't find the same thing on the top due to lack of good pics, so I was worried that Trumpeter might have put the tab on the wrong side, which is not a stretch for Trumpeter!  As a matter of fact, when reviewing other builds of this kit, I found that some modelers had actually sanded the tab off because they might have thought it was flash and I even saw one build with the ailerons upside down!

Thanks to Vandy and John, I now know that this tab exists on the top and bottom.  Here's a pic of one of them from the top showing the fixed tab and trailing edge extension.  As with the other parts on this build, every panel line was re-scribed and every rivet re-punched, so I added some dark wash to show the detail.


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To replicate the same the same thing on the bottom ,all I did was to scribe a thin tab to match the top.  
Being on the bottom, this is definitely “good enoughâ€!


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All of the other flaps and the elevator were assembled and I spent a great deal of time getting them to look as good as possible, using lots of CA glue to fill small gaps and repair many flaws .  One item often missed by modelers is to get the trailing edges super sharp and thin, which you can barely see in this pic.


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Since this build is supposedly “kicked up a notchâ€, I thought I should improve the gun sight, which is supplied by the kit and Cutting Edge resin set as the more commonly used N-9, which is quite boring looking, as seen on the left of this pic.  Fortunately, I still have a really nice K-14 gun sight from my Tamiya P-51D build leftover, which is made from 2 regular plastic, 3 clear plastic and one photo-etch brass part as shown on the right.  Some P-38's had them, so this bird must as well!


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Using the same methods I used to paint and detail the cockpit, I cut off the N-9 gun sight and modified the K-14 to fit the existing kit gun sight arm, although I will need to add a cross brace to the front windscreen when I get that far in order for it to look more accurate.  Here it is dry fitted in the cockpit with tape.


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A close-up from the left side.  Not only did those Barracuda stencils come in handy, a couple of them are actually made for this very part!


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From the rear you can see the rear and front glass, which is often not covered by the black shroud on top.  I added an electrical cord to the back of the sight according to references.


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The other side.  Here you can see the grip detail of the Cutting Edge resin steering wheel fairly well



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This angle shows the two circular lenses under the glass, which were a bear to mask off properly before painting.



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A little closer.


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All in all a fairly successful modification if I do say so myself.  Thanks for checking in!

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