heinkel 111p revell and promodeller, same kit?

[shepard]

hi there mates,greetings from Brazil....im about to buy a promodeller heinkel 111 p1 and im sorry if there is discussion about it somewhere else, but i didnt found any....

 

just want to know if they are same kit/moulds and if the cmk, hph eduard revell after markets can be used on the promodeller p1 without problems...

 

thanks in advance

 

 

shep

[Roy vd M.]

On the box it says "Pro Modeller, By Revell" so I guess it should be the same kit under a different brand. Not 100% sure but that would be my motivated guess. 

Edited March 29, 2014 by Roy vd M.

[David66]

 Yes, it's the same base kit, one of my friends has both, he said the only difference is the marking options (One has a desert, RLM-79 over RLM-78, scheme) and that, apparently, the Pro-Modeller version has swastikas included. He bought his Pro-Modeller version in the U.S as he couldn't find it over here in the U.K

 

  I thought there were some additional detail sprues but I've not seen the Pro-Modeller kit and can only go by what my friend says so I can't confirm this. I know the basic moulding is the same so the CMK and Eduard aftermarket will fit both.

 

 As always, I'd say check references before committing to anything. Hope this helps, Anyone else know any more?

[Roy vd M.]

one of my friends has both

 

And he lives in a palace  

[Roy vd M.]

What I see is that the Pro Modeler has 250 parts whereas the Revell has 433 parts. 

 

Sources:

 

http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/rmx855628-os.htm

http://www.revell.com/germany/aircraft/80-4696.html#.UzdfFWRDuhM

 

After some more education after my first educated guess, my newest educated guess is that (in line with David's remark) Pro Modeler's version is a simplified version of Revell's kit. 

 

The only thing I can't figure out then is why you'd want to pay about as much for the Pro Modeler as you would for the, apparently more detailed, Revell. 

[Dave Williams]

I have both. They are the exact same plastic, different decals. Don't know why they are listed as having different number of parts, but they are the same kit.

 

Here are the instruction manuals for both kits:

 

http://manuals.hobbico.com/rvl/80-4696.pdf

 

http://manuals.hobbico.com/rmx/85-5628.pdf

Edited March 30, 2014 by Dave Williams

[Roy vd M.]

Here's a link to another thread on this forum: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=36077&page=2

 

Apparently Revell employees have stated that the kits are equal except for the decal sheet (see last post).

 

I don't get how the one set could have 250 parts and the other 433. Looking at the Revell stash, I'd say it's DEFINITELY more than 250 pieces. Haven't counted them but 433 looks more realistic a number.

 

Confirmation of 433 pieces: http://www.themodellingnews.com/2011/08/revell-he-111p-1-in-132-scale-or-honey.html

 

Here is a nice thorough inbox review of the Pro Modeler kit: http://www.internetmodeler.com/scalemodels/flaviation/Revell-Pro-Modeler-1-32-Heinkel-He-111P-1.php

 

and it mentions a part number "277". Of course that doesn't give the final answer to the question how many parts there are but it's at least a hint that there are more than the 250 as alleged by Sprue Bros. 

 

I can't find any other '250 parts' reference for the Pro Modeler kit so it might just be that Sprue Bros made a guess; more so, because Pro Modeler itself doesn't tell the correct number of parts. 

 

Looking at the Pro Modeler sprues more in detail I'd say the fuselage halves look definitely the same as Revell's. And certain very typical errors (for example the bomb bay front / back parts, on which the designer made a thinking mistake; see the second picture of the following post: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=48155&p=548311) are copied into Pro Modeler's kit. Looking at all the sprues it seems at first and second glance that these kits look perfectly equal, plastic-wise. 

 

If I were you I'd have no trouble purchasing the Pro Modeler kit OR the Revell kit, whatever works best for you as regards decals. Interestingly the Pro Modeler's version has swastikas for example. The Revell kit can't have that because the kit is produced by Revell Germany and for political reasons they are not allowed to print swastikas. In the US that's a bit easier. 

 

The Eduard photo etch metal sets will 99% sure work with the Pro Modeler kit. By the way, you'll still have to scratch-mod some of them a bit to fit them. For example, if you were to purchase the bomb bay (contrary to making one yourself, see my thread before you decide to purchase Eduard's version... althought it's an improvement to Revell's version it still has its flaws), you'll have to add a bit of plastic or the whole thing won't fit. See Nigel's thread on that matter, elsewhere on this forum.

 

Bottom line, buy either the Revell or the Pro Modeler and the aftermarket parts will (100% sure as regards Revell, 99% sure as regards Pro Modeler) fit, sometimes after some required scratch modifications. 

 

I hope this answer is helpful to you. 

[Roy vd M.]

I have both.

 

Large diorama plans?

Edited March 30, 2014 by Roy vd M.

[marauderdriver]

Usually the only difference is the Pro Modeler has a p/e fret and different decals 

 

Pro Modeler was another version of a Monogram kit and we know where they are now  hint : Revell

 

 Pro Modeler by Revell, a parts count of 250 is what it says on the box.and doesn't mention a pe fret

 

....The other 2 versions are Revell Germany

 

 

Jack

[BradG]

Exactly the same kit apart from decal options. However I could find absolutely no reference for the He 111P serving with STG 3 in North Africa. Only references turned up were H model aircraft.  I'd say the most important bit of aftermarket aside from seat belts, is MG 13's. The kits MG's and their ammo clips are in 1/48 scale. No I'm not kidding, I measured them up and they look laughable mounted on the aircraft.

[Dave Williams]

Usually the only difference is the Pro Modeler has a p/e fret and different decals 

 

Pro Modeler was another version of a Monogram kit and we know where they are now  hint : Revell

 

 Pro Modeler by Revell, a parts count of 250 is what it says on the box.and doesn't mention a pe fret

 

....The other 2 versions are Revell Germany

 

 

Jack

 

The R-M ProModeler kits have been a number of things over the years.  They started out as old Monogram kits with better decals and a PE fret (e.g. the Promodeler P-39), but later morphed into other things:

 

At least one was a Monogram kit retooled for recessed panel lines (e.g. Monogram P-51B)

 

Some were reboxes of other company's kits, (e.g. Hasegawa hard wing F-4E, Blue Angels A-4, Dragon Ju88, etc.)

 

Some were different variants of ,or included extra parts from, standard R-M kits (e.g. PBY-5A, Ju-52, Me410, F-15E, etc.)

 

The latest ProModeler kits, the 1/32 He111P and Ju88A-1, have just been straight reboxes of the RoG kits with  new decals, including swastikas. 

 

Except for the early kits, I don't think they have included PE for a while.

[Roy vd M.]

If you're really a photo etch lover it's better to order Eduard's set anyway. It includes Revell's photoetch (as produced by Eduard!) and a bit more. Eduard's own-brand photo etch interior set has some extras. 

[shepard]

thank you all mates....helped me a lot

 

cheers

 

shep