Victor K2 Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Nige, I endorse the previous comment. I now realise that you are not slating the kit off but "improving" it's looks. It is your kit and with the incredible skills you possess it is up to you how far you want to go with it. I follow this and most, if not all of the incredible B17 builds on this wonderful site. I hope to take a little of what I consider I am capable of from each thread and hopefully complete a Model I can be proud of. I have the privilege to know a great deal of skilled modellers who have over the years giving me encouragement and passed on their pearls of wisdom, and now, thanks to the power of the internet my world got better. Also, I think some sort of holiday is about to happen soon could be part of the reason the replies have slowed up Keep up the good work Bob
Roy vd M. Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Fully agree with the 3 previous speakers. I'm just in awe of all those tasks you give yourself (1) and completing them in a more than astounding way (2). I don't interpret your remarks as kit bashing. Edited December 11, 2013 by Roy vd M.
willysmb43 Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 I follow your post every day since the beginning with great attention it is high interest for the modeler I have my kit is the same, and you give me full of idea continue as its thank you Mr.Nigel DJ
patricksparks Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Nigel, don't stop the posting, I work in a manufacturing facility and one thing that I know if something is wrong with an injection molded tool and no one tells the tool maker there's something wrong with it, it won't get corrected. Every body here should remember HKM is a fledgling group as far as scale plastic models are concerned, they need to know the short comings of the kits they are producing or they will never get to a higher quality standard with their product. Pat
Silver Dollar Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Nige, don't ever consider dropping this thread. I've been following it from the beginning and learning a heck of a lot of techniques that I can use down the road. I may not be able to directly apply the techniques to the model I'm building now but when (not if) I get another one of these kits or other kit that has errors like these, I'll know how to knock them out. This thread is exactly what a forum like this needs i.e. advanced scale modeling. These are the very techniques we need to get ourselves to the next levels of turning a toy airplane into a stunning model into a true museum quality replica and miniature. You're bringing kit building up to scale replica engineering. If this site were only about out of the box building and showing off the results, it would be a very boring site. Not to bore anyone but I was a moderator for Scale Motor Cars which is a large scale car site. When a number of leading model builders began showing up, they turned a site which started as one dedicated primarily to the building of the 32 Ford Hot Rod to one that now covers everything from basic kit building to techniques in master craftsmanship, i.w. full on scratch building. We even have a couple of members who are in the online Craftsmanship Museum like Dr. Park and WWI aircraft expert, Ken Foran who build fully scratch built models and have worked for Fine Arts Models. It's like going to model car school where you can go from learning elementary school level building up to almost getting a Ph.D. in fine miniature building. Where do you think I learned many of my intermediate model building techniques? Now, I'm learning to apply those skills to aircraft. Your build and many many other builds on this great forum are the inspiration for me to continue in modeling or else, I would have quit years ago. This particular kit got me out of the severe burnout that stopped me from modeling for almost a year. Your work and the advanced work of others here have breathed new life into the hobby for me. Heck, I've even gotten to the level of applying kitchen foil finishes which many gurus said could not be done without Bare Metal Foil. No, don't stop. Keep up this great work and keep on teaching us. It's appreciated much more than you know. Thanks for letting me do this rant. Victor K2 1
Dan Paxton Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 I don't even know what to say I bow in your presence sir all hail the MASTER
marauderdriver Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 Only cause of the up coming holiday and family that I have been this QUIET. Please continue and show the way to a corrected B-17, as you have a captive audience. PLUS your eye site is ENCREDIBLE to see things that are not quite right. have learned a ton from this thread and all contributors Jack Dan Paxton 1
Ferry NL Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) "The nose has now got an infill piece above the chin turret fairing, to add some rigidity as much as anything. I am considering making this model as an "in maintenance" build, so may build a replica chin gun mech and have the chin turret covering on the floor?" Yeah, you didn't do enough already.... Edited December 16, 2013 by Ferry NL
Guest Nigelr32 Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 I'm looking for some advice guys. Would you please take the time to look back at my modified fuselage and tell me if you think the turtle deck looks too tall? I've been looking at it tonight, and in my opinion it could do with being sectioned to remove a couple of mm from the front where the screen is , tapering back to nothing removed above the radio room? To my eye, it looks like the roof is sloping up towards the screen, making the screen itself too tall. Answers on a postcard please.
Iain Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 If that is the case - it may be the missing piece in the puzzle with regards to flattening the nose. I can't comment with any empirical data - but very interested... Iain
Ferry NL Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 according to my family, even the dog, I suffer from a B-17 syndrome lately.... But anyway, I'll have a look at the turtledeck but most likely will not be of use due to my limited knowledge on the B-bird... However this is brought up to speed quite fast with all the fabulous comments and work in the forums.
ghatherly Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 Nige, What do the numbers say when compared to the blue prints? You have gone through all of this trouble to make the fuselage correct, why start guessing now? If your fuselage section at the windshield is now correct, then you should be able to measure the windshield height at the center and side pillars and get the roof height. Seeing how the rest of the kit is off, I would be surprised if the turtle deck is the right height. Just my thoughts, Gary DougN 1
Guest Nigelr32 Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 Thanks for your sensible words Gary. I don't actually have any blueprints, just the fuselage "tube" dimensions and bulkhead positions put up her a couple of months ago. I have drawings in a book, which I use to measure then prove or disprove the errors by spending hours trolling through pictures. I dunno?? It just doesn't look right!!
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