Heinkel He51 - resource matrial?

[Guest KingK_series]

Am researching this aircraft to try and make an accurate 1/32 model, but can find no specific remorse material or books on the aircraft, - weird when you consider there are so many on the HE60!

 

 

And considering its role in the rebuilding of the Luftwaffe and the Spanish Civil war!

 

lots of poorish pics in the Jagdwaffe series and found some extant BMW VIs to go and look at in Berlin and Munich, but has anyone on here any good material, details - or is the lack of material the cause of the inaccuracies in the kits.

 

 

Just found two pics of aircraft tipped onto their noses for underside shots, and the rad duct is clearly parallel sided - unlike the parts in 1/48 and 1/32 scale .

 

 

- would be so grateful if anyone has any material, anything.

 

cheers simon

[Tnarg]

There are two He-51 cockpit photos (awfully grainy) in the Flugzeuge Cockpit Profile Series #3, and one photo (even more grainy) plus three illustrations of the He-51 cockpit in the German Aircraft Interiors 1935-45 Vol 1 book. The best part about the latter book is the incredible collection of instrument photos of just about every German aircraft instrument known and in color. Pity they didn't have any shots of the 51 to match. As for the rest, the best one I found was the same Jagdwaffe series. Too bad.

 

As for the internet, not much in image searches besides this one:

 

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/Panelnachbau/Peter%20Davies-Garner/He51Projekt.htm

 

This turns out to be about the same quality interior photo as any of the other references.

 

Good luck with this, as that is a very beautiful plane, whether in Spanish Civil War colors or Bulgarian (crossed swords) insignia, I can't decide, and then there are those brightly colored pre-war Luftwaffe squadrons...

 

Tnarg

[LSP_Kevin]

What's wrong with the Silver Wings kit again?

 

Kev

[Guest KingK_series]

There are two He-51 cockpit photos (awfully grainy) in the Flugzeuge Cockpit Profile Series #3, and one photo (even more grainy) plus three illustrations of the He-51 cockpit in the German Aircraft Interiors 1935-45 Vol 1 book. The best part about the latter book is the incredible collection of instrument photos of just about every German aircraft instrument known and in color. Pity they didn't have any shots of the 51 to match. As for the rest, the best one I found was the same Jagdwaffe series. Too bad.

 

As for the internet, not much in image searches besides this one:

 

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/Panelnachbau/Peter%20Davies-Garner/He51Projekt.htm

 

This turns out to be about the same quality interior photo as any of the other references.

 

Good luck with this, as that is a very beautiful plane, whether in Spanish Civil War colors or Bulgarian (crossed swords) insignia, I can't decide, and then there are those brightly colored pre-war Luftwaffe squadrons...

 

Tnarg

 

 

Thanks very much for that - got those references, and some good drawings of fuselage structure, found engines which I will make because with the duct behind the spinner and the duct to extract air on the side of the fuselage - which is completely missing in the kit - are large enough to see into the bay, so it needs an engine.

 

but missing details of exactly how the struts attach to the fuselage frame through the skin, wire attachments, trim tab details, etc etc

 

would be so grateful if any body has any clear close up pics, or drawings

 

am missing details of the carburetor intake too, and how the carburetor cover attached to the fuselage,

 

thanks so much for your reply

 

simon

Edited July 21, 2013 by KingK_series

[MikeMaben]

A modeler named Bruce Hunt built and modified the Silver Wings kit

a few years ago. He wrote a brief description on another site :

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/thread/1279310758/Silver+Wings+He+51

 

In it he references this publication , "Heinkel He 51 C und D Flugzeug-Beschreibung" from Buchvertrieb-AH .

I found the publication and a description of it so I know it exists, but good luck finding it now.

 

Someone was building a repro from scratch but I can't find anything beyond this :

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?75143-Heinkel-He-51

[Guest KingK_series]

A modeler named Bruce Hunt built and modified the Silver Wings kit

a few years ago. He wrote a brief description on another site :

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/thread/1279310758/Silver+Wings+He+51

 

In it he references this publication , "Heinkel He 51 C und D Flugzeug-Beschreibung" from Buchvertrieb-AH .

I found the publication and a description of it so I know it exists, but good luck finding it now.

 

Someone was building a repro from scratch but I can't find anything beyond this :

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?75143-Heinkel-He-51

 

 

Hi thanks for that

 

- well this Bruce Hunt seems to have a pretty clear view on the kit he built, and he has opened up the cowling ducts which are not present on so many kits of German aircraft - We had this in the earlier discussion on the Trumpeter JU87, and its an important shape in my view on all these aircraft. To my mind the 'gills' as he calls them are not open enough in his model and the prop blade shape is still miles off, it's one of the most difficult shapes I have ever seen on an aircraft, but the kit part is no where near the original. He doesn't mention the rad duct....

 

 

any chance of telling me ore about this 'Heinkel He 51 C und D Flugzeug-Beschreibung' - is it a book? well illustrated? does it have drawings?

 

Any German readers on here that can help? maybe with manuals for the aircraft.

 

simon

Edited July 22, 2013 by KingK_series

[Pufo]

Hi,

I upload few close up photos on the flickr here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pufo04/ maybe it helps a little.

[Guest KingK_series]

Hi,

I upload few close up photos on the flickr here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pufo04/ maybe it helps a little.

 

 

Fantastic - you have answered 2 questions for me there

 

1 rad duct is detachable from aircraft

 

2 carburetor intake is separate from cowling top which I had an idead for

 

thankyou so so much , really appreciate these.

 

bestwishes simon

[mattlow]

Hello Simon

 

I have several chapters of the manual that should interest you. Here's an example...

 

 

If you could PM me your email address I'll send my He 51 refs over....

 

In return, show us what you do to improve the Silver Wings kit (if that is what you intend doing..?)

 

Matt

[Guest KingK_series]

Hello Simon

 

I have several chapters of the manual that should interest you. Here's an example...

 

 

If you could PM me your email address I'll send my He 51 refs over....

 

In return, show us what you do to improve the Silver Wings kit (if that is what you intend doing..?)

 

Matt

 

 

 

aaaaaaaah

 

that's just what I have been hoping for -

 

I'll certainly show you what I have done so far, and send pics - and if you can send me what you have in the manual, I will happily send you my HE51 prop in resin, - its in two pieces, and has been an effort, but ... hope you will think it worth it.

 

there is a lot to do to the kit, - even one cabane strut missing on off side of aircraft -

 

 

thankyou very very much for posting

 

simon

[Guest KingK_series]

This forum is brilliant!

 

really -

[LSP_Mike]

It's the members here that make this site so good. I have this one, and it is good to see all the info put out for use.

[Guest KingK_series]

It's the members here that make this site so good. I have this one, and it is good to see all the info put out for use.

 

 

Absolutely!

[LSP_Kevin]

I've got a couple of these in the stash, and this is the first I've heard about it having problems. I for one would love to see a build thread where all the problems are addressed and solutions offered.

 

Kev

[Guest KingK_series]

ok

 

so what can be learnt from the pics posted just in this thread

 

 

1/ As suggested by pics in Jagdwaffe, top of engine cowl is split down the middle - unlike kit - but longer at the sides and the line denoting a panel line that runs across the front of the gun ducts is incorrect.

 

2/ the carburetor intake is completely separate from cowl and is ducted on the inside into a narrow rectangular intake, unlike kit which has duct just stuck to top of cowl and a nothing inside.

 

3/ there are no rims along gun troughs as in kit, and shape of front of trough is completely different.

 

4/there is a panel behind intake duct which comes forward of guns.

 

5/ shape of stabiliser leading edge is far too sharp on the kit - obvious.

 

6/ cabane struts mount to fuselage frame through fuselage panels, not to them, - obvious, and strut wires are flat, ie Ez wire will not do -

 

7/ rad ducting is mounted independently of fuselage, and rad I suspect extends inside of Fuselage, note rounded edges of rad duct as they meet underside cowl, kit completely wrong here, plus not visible on these pics but rad duct is parallel sided, - kit has it narrowing to duct exit.

 

8/ air extract ducts missing on kit under the forward cabane strut, have a rectangular cutout, this is for passage of an actuation rod.

 

9/ i picked up that the oil tank was fitted into the lower fuselage cowl to cool the oil in the absence of an oil cooler, cowl either side need to look as if they are edges that fit to a round edged tank - probably with oil stains leaking from oil filler on near side.

 

 

thanks guys , this really helps

 

lots more to learn though!

 

any more pics v gratefully received!

Edited July 23, 2013 by KingK_series