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ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 One more of the bottom. I still have little aerodynamic fairings to install for the .50 cal. ejection chute location. Cannons aren't glued on yet, but pretty much done. Wash is overdone, but I wanted some contrast for the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 On to the top,...and my latest dilemma. Decideing which cannon bulges to install, and which location to put them. I have 3-spoke wheels that would work with the later wing...but no 4-spoke that would work with the early wing. But my vision of this has the early wing. Oh whoa. I'm having another "cranial flatuation". Nothing a milkshake and Curly/Moe/& Larry can't fix! Plus this isn't exactly tapered/streamlined like it should be...see Jeff Hernes' model above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Here's the style I want. You can also just make out the old bulge location that I filled in with 2-part epoxy. I used that because I had to scribe some lines over that location, and this is some tough stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Oh wow, I just went over 50 posts, and I've gone from an LSP member...to junkie. Bwhahaha(I AM quite mad now.) Summary of things I've learned so far; 1. Build radiators into wing BEFORE glueing them shut. 2. Start with a Mk.I or II wing without cannons, so ya won't have to re-locate the bulges top/bottom. 3. Raised panel lines on the Hasegawa/Revell kit are actually a PLUS! Gotta rescribe them anyway, it's easier than filling/rescribeing. 4. Tell everybody you're making a Mk.XII, not a XIV, and just change the engine and rudder. 5. Have a book/research material so you know if you're building a Mk.XII, or a Mk.XIV. 6. Spitfires are way cool. On to the fuselage, and installing THAT MOTOR!!!!!(oh, and that pesky scratchbuilt rudder/fin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Kevin Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Even before I read your request for feedback, I was thinking your scribe job was pretty good Russ! You do get better at it with practise (and the right tools), but you're doing pretty well right out of the gate. Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Thanks Kevin. My girlfriend considers scribeing a spectator sport. Get's a kick outta watching me talk to myself, and is amazed at how well I can swirl my awl with a bazillion band-aides all over my fingers. Hmmm, maybe it's pity, and not amusement. Kind of ironic too, never really want to start scribeing...but once going it's hard to stop.(Just one more line, no, just one more,...heck might as well finish this side,....aww might as well do one more access panel...and so it goes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loic Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Hi Russ, your scribbing looks very good so far. I remember me doing this for the first time on the ahsegawa Ki43 with a nail... I still have this model cause I like it overall but the panel lines are like cayons! Everybody has to learn and you are doing really well and prove to be a fast learner. On the one hand, it is very rewarding and pleasant to get some "good" feed back but I really think we learn for the "not so good" feed back which is why I always ask for any kind of feed back for myself. You have understood by now I am about to start questionning your job... I had in mind that you wanted to go for the "e" wing but this is not an "e" wing I can see up there. I understand from your text you may wonder what you will finally go with but keep in mind "c" and "e" wings are rather different, it is not just the kind of guns you put in there that makes the type of wing, panels lines, etc.. are also impacted. I also read you are working on the 0.50 cal ejection chutes and this is typical "e" wing to me. Then, the 20mm gun is outboard the wing and the 0.50 is inboard. I really do have stuff that could be of great help on such details so please feel free to contact me via my e-mail if you are interested (every body is equally welcome). Keep it up, we (as far as I can juge by the number of people checking your thread) really like your work on this beautifull plane. Cheers, Loic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Hey Loic!, Yes, the panel lines on an E-wing and a C-wing are slightly different! I had already scribed the "common" panel lines, and had to decide. I didn't even know if a Mk.XIV ever had a C-wing, or if they hada clipped version til I looked at derek B's link and saw it was possible. My wing is a C-wing, which is what I labelled them in the above post. After researching more, I'm narrowing it down to an early or late configuration. Early; big bulge centered over gun-bay, long tapered cannon barrel( stubbiershorter tapered barrel in pics is not glued on as I mentioned, just a mockup for the possible E-wing I thought I might have to build), 20mm inboard/.50cal. outboard OR deleted if .303's are in the outer bays. Late; Smaller more streamlined fairing inboard OR outboard depending on cannon location(as noted in pic above), same swapout of .50's or .303's. I've seen both types of cannon fairings with this style. Whoever said"you could spend a lifetime studying Spitfires..and still won't know it all" on this thread was soooo right. Kinda fun, eh?! Isn't the C-wing called the "universal wing" because of all the combinations? shrug. Don't know, doesn't matter, I'll model this aircraft to the period/squadron that fits my vision of what it should look like, and I'm afraid you(or anybody else) can't help me there. Just haven't narrowed that down to an exact aircraft yet.(which is why I'm bouncing around so much, but learning much on the way!) I want to do an early version, but until my research books I ordered come in 2-3 days I will be working on the fuselage. That is why I have no cannons, or bulges, glued on yet. I want an aircraft that operated in France/Belgium/Holland in the fall of 1944 in Northern Europe.. Until I have pics of operational aircraft in this time period, and can pick the one I want to model it makes no sense to make a decision yet. I can only imagine there were many variations. This will give me a squadron,camoflouge, gun arrangement, and how many spokes were on the wheel. So...maybe you've got some pics I can use now that I'm narrowing it down?! I'm not even pretending to be a "rivet counter" for this group build, heck I've never even built a Spitfire before. This is all about having fun to me. So, please be patient with me while I bumble thru my build and make mistakes. I'm hoping there are others who are learning along with me. Keep an eye on me buddy, I need your guidance(as do others) and input. It's ALL much appreciated!!!! Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loic Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Russ, this is fair enough, I can see you do have some level of information and I am not a spitfire specialist/reference anyway. What is certain is that I do have stuff that can help and I would be delighted to bring my little and modest contribution to your work. PM me your e mail for more details. Cheers, Loic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 PM sent, buddy! Here's the plan. When I get my books, which lean toward pictures of aircraft "in the field", I will see what versions were flying during the period I want to model. All I have now are post-war Mk.14's, or a lot of Mk.IX info from that time period. I believe there were only 2 squadrons(or maybe a wing) of Griffon powered Spits at that time, but I have no pics. THEN, when I pick the aircraft, I'll be able to ask more concise technical details. Right now I'm guessing. Sheesh, for all I know, I'll have to fill in some scribeing, and re-do this wing into an E-wing. Not too much work actually. That's why I have a lot of extra parts made up, and the wing is "frozen" at this stage. Next stage is to bug you with emails looking for technical details so you'll never get your Tempest done! Bwhahahha. Quite the devious plan, eh? Looking forward to talking with you by email, sir. Now, get back to your scratch-built gunbays. I want to see some progress mister! Later, Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loic Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Russ, sorry but PM not recived. Did you send it via the forum PM facility or straight to the following: desmoloic@yahoo.fr Loic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loic Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Sorry, just did! Check your inbox within the next 10 minutes Loic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruzlkampf Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Roger! It takes me a while to do the 1 key peck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Nice recovery on the radiators Russ. I agree, your scribing is excellent. That wing is really coming alive now - I must dig out my Spitfire LF. Mk.XVIe conversion sometime and try and complete it - thanks for the inspiration. Cheers Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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