Spiderman: Brand New Day - most successful movie ever?

[Confusionreigns178]

Read on-line that the above is (potentially) going to be the highest-grossing movie in history.....

 

Really!? It's an entertaining two hours, but it really, really isn't anything we haven't seen many times before. And I found the second act to be a bit boring and draggy.  

 

How do some films become so trendy? From where I'm sitting, it's definitely not on their own merits, as a rule. Recent Marvel movies have been a pile of dog's-eggs, IMHO. But there's evidence people are getting bored with the Marvel formula anyway. It will be very interesting to see how Avengers: Doomsday does in December. 

 

What does anyone else think? 

 

Chris. 

[LSP_K2]

I really don't watch that stuff at all. Previews generally leave me cold, so I don't bother. 

[dennismcc]

We normally go to the cinema once a week however recently it has been hard to go as most movies really do not interest us, especially at the moment with the kids off school.

So we took a chance after reading all the blurb on it to give it a go, my wife hated it, I found it tolerable but I would not go to see it again.

As to Marvel movies, all noise and frantic action, not for us at all.

 

Cheers

 

Dennis

[blackbetty]

all that superhero stuff is just stupid IMHO

[MikeC]

2 hours ago, Confusionreigns178 said:

but it really, really isn't anything we haven't seen many times before

And how exactly is it different from the early-2000s release of Spiderman? How many times is the same basic story going to be released? Does Hollywood not have original ideas any more 

[Dave Williams]

1 hour ago, MikeC said:

And how exactly is it different from the early-2000s release of Spiderman? How many times is the same basic story going to be released? Does Hollywood not have original ideas any more 

How many times has Batman or Superman been done?  The first movie usually follows the classic origins story, so that one is usually similar for all of them, but the subsequent movies differ quite a bit.  That said, I haven’t seen any of the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies.  Avengers Endgame pretty much burned me out on superhero movies, and I was dragging myself to see that just to get to the ending because I had seen the others.  With the Marvel movies especially, you have to watch them all, because most of them reference something that happened in a previous movie and they’re all linked together.  I just don’t have that kind of time to sit through them all.

[MikeC]

1 hour ago, Dave Williams said:

With the Marvel movies especially, you have to watch them all, because most of them reference something that happened in a previous movie and they’re all linked together.  I just don’t have that kind of time to sit through them all.

I've done that, bought the DVDs, but have since let them go. The various Marvel films were not without their comic tongue-in-cheek lines, moments and incidents, and often didn't take themselves seriously - think Guardians of the Galaxy or perhaps the character Thor, who has some great lines and moments. Plus in Thor: Ragnarok you get Immigrant Song - one of my favourite Led Zep tracks of all time - twice! 

[quang]

Nobody ever captured the teenage angst better than Sam Raimi in his Spiderman trilogy twenty+ years ago.

[Confusionreigns178]

3 hours ago, MikeC said:

And how exactly is it different from the early-2000s release of Spiderman? How many times is the same basic story going to be released? Does Hollywood not have original ideas any more 

I have two words for folks, here..... James Bond. How many 007 movies have just regurgitated exactly the same bloomin' storyline? Is it 25 films now? And people keep paying good money, each time. I just don't get it. Not saying I'm so much more intelligent/perceptive than anyone else, but I think I can see through the hype, at least.

 

Now that Amazon have taken over the 007 franchise, it's going to be an absolute car-crash. I will watch it, but my expectations are going to be in-the-basement low. 

 

While we're on the subject, how many times can Hollywood keep making zombie/vampire/alien invasion/masked, supernatural serial-killer films? It's getting VERY stale, now.

 

Please, come up with something a lot more original, for all our sakes. 

 

Cheers.

 

Chris.  

[Juggernut]

What is this, Siskel & Ebert redux?  
 

You want to watch the movie, watch it; otherwise pass.  Hollywood’s gonna do what Hollywood’s gonna do and that’s all there is to it.  
 

Here’s a suggestion: Write a screenplay for an original movie and send it in to be reviewed.  To who?  I haven’t the foggiest idea.  If they like it, they’ll buy it then you may be allowed to be involved in its production.

[Dave Williams]

45 minutes ago, Juggernut said:

What is this, Siskel & Ebert redux?  
 

You want to watch the movie, watch it; otherwise pass.  Hollywood’s gonna do what Hollywood’s gonna do and that’s all there is to it.  
 

Here’s a suggestion: Write a screenplay for an original movie and send it in to be reviewed.  To who?  I haven’t the foggiest idea.  If they like it, they’ll buy it then you may be allowed to be involved in its production.

Pretty harsh response.  The OP asked what anyone else thinks.  We’re responding with what we think.  That’s how discussions work.

[KiwiZac]

I'll be the dissenting voice: My partner and I thoroughly enjoyed it. If we had the money we'd go see it again (oh to be able to afford two tickets each week!). The plot isn't like any of the previous Spider-Man films (and I've seen each of them multiple times) apart from one particular angle; The acting* and writing had me wrapped around their respective fingers regarding emotions; The effects** for the most part do a great job of making suspending disbelief easy; The costuming (for Spidey especially) was superb; And it was a great time that left me excited and exhilerated, wanting to immediately rewatch it. I won't try and convert anyone who doesn't, as a rule, like this sort of movie but for someone who does it ticks all my boxes. And I say that as a weirdo (for my age) who's also into '70s New Hollywood, obscure/cult comedies and other delights across the spectrum.

 

The sad thing about original ideas is Hollywood/the studios don't gamble on them as much anymore because a franchise/remake/sequel is guaranteed money in the bank. Original ideas do reach the screen but they generally underperform, and unfortunately success is gauged by box office numbers rather than (as suggested in another of OP's threads) Is It Actually Good? How many films today considered classics weren't smash hits on release? With the benefit of hindsight, and a passing interest in cinema history, we can see that generationally there are trends that barge in and die out. As much as I love these movies I've experienced Marvel Fatigue and I know they'll likely fizzle out rather than stop on a high, and then there'll be some new kind of movie to be upset about. I imagine in the past there were plenty of folk upset about the waves of cowboy movies, gritty crime dramas and so on. Studios love bandwagons.

 

*Sarah Halley Finn continues to dazzle me with her ability to nail casting for Marvel characters

**I've seen much discussion on this and other modelling forums about over-reliance on CGI in film but I challenge you to make a big-screen spectacle like a top-tier Marvel comic book movie - especially one with a young bloke swinging through New York - work entirely practically! The issue as I see it is too much "cheap"/rushed CGI, not too much overall

[hopkinspeter]

6 hours ago, blackbetty said:

all that superhero stuff is just stupid IMHO

Couldn't agree more, ridiculous and boring beyond belief in equal measure!

[hopkinspeter]

6 hours ago, MikeC said:

Does Hollywood not have original ideas any more 

Hasn't had for years, for the most part they just keep recycling the same drivel over and over again. Hollywood in general seems to have forgotten that all you need to make an entertaining movie is an interesting and original story, a decent script, good actors and a halfway competent director. You really don't need massive budgets, over-paid 'stars', enormous explosions and a ton of CGI....for my money, pretty much all of the best movies nowadays are made by the smaller, independent studios.

[hopkinspeter]

3 hours ago, Juggernut said:

Here’s a suggestion: write a screenplay for an original movie and send it in to be reviewed.

If I had the skills I'd have done it a long time ago, but I know my limitations. It's a pity that a lot of screenplay writers - and the executives who give the green light to a lot of Hollywood movies - don't seem to know theirs!