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Jerry Crandall

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  1. Looking great, but the wooden seats were painted RLM 66 also. Cheers, Jerry
  2. Thanks for using our Eagle Parts. Just a note, we never had any connection with Cutting Edge our parts are own. Cheers, Jerry
  3. Hello, My name is Kimbra S. and I am the office manager for Eagle Editions. Since Jerry is badly "under the weather" he asked me to share the following information with fellow enthusiasts. In the mid 1990s Jerry and Judy traveled to Germany again this time to meet with Warnecke & Böhm the leading manufacturer of paint for the Luftwaffe in WW II. They met with the management staff including the CEO, head chemist etc. Lots of interesting information came from the meeting. Here are some condensed excerpts from Jerry's Fw 190 Dora book vol. 2 . " The German war industry was dramatically altered when Dr. Pomper, head of W&B received two patents in the late 1930s. these patents were for a new formula based on an artificial resin polymer based paint. This new formula had superior adhesion to aluminum and magnesium. As a result no primer was needed as with previous standard lacquer based paints. This helped in time, money and weight plus was fade resistant. Of course RLM 45 Red Oxide was still needed for fabric. The RLM was so pleased with this new formula they directed other paint companies to use this resin, trade marked IKORAL, and pay W&B a royalty."W&B was so pleased that J&J was interested(to say the least) that they searched their old files and gave J&J everything they had from the wartime. They explained that as the Russians were approaching Berlin W&B destroyed most of their files including the late war color data. The material given included copies of Dr. Pomper's patents and all the original RLM color recipes they had. These are published in Jerry's book. RLM 66; In the original recipes there are seven 66 formulas. This is because the RLM directed W&B to develop formulas that included fire and acid resistance qualities. As a result the color was slightly altered and can be seen in late war parts to have a slight dark green cast, very evident on an Me 262 rudder pedal we have in our collection. Paint companies were told to cut back production on RLM 02 as this new 66 would replace 02 on some parts like landing gear legs. Amazing to W&B was that no researcher had visited them prior to J&J. Hope this helps, and as Jerry says, cheers, Kimbra S.
  4. Great job so far but you have to fill in those spurious oval panels on the pot side of the forward fuselage . They don't belong there. Cheers, Jerry
  5. No, having a garage full of parts with camouflage colors shows what colors were actually used
  6. We know Michael and Jurgen well and Jurgen is going to formulate some new colors based on our recipes. But neither one had ever visited W&B. All in all you do pretty well with English being you second language. There is a lot of good information in the correspondence we have between Ken Bokelman ,that worked for Messerschmitt years ago, and Ken Merrick. Unfortunately , they both passed before any of the data came to light.
  7. There are some undocumented colors that so far no RLM documents have identified including light green. This is acknowledged by research teams that have recovered Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. They know what they are talking about when it comes to colors on a/c. One puzzle is that D-9s have been found with light gray over light green. Why? None of these "knowledgeable researchers" had ever contacted Warnecke & Böhm the leading paint manufacturer for Luftwaffe paint. If you don't mind, could you share the names of the German researchers you mention with us. There is some thought that light green maybe the last version of RLM 76 but the bottom line it did exist and was used on a lot of late war aircraft. A note on the color film still, when viewing the actual film the colors are much clearer. I extend an open invitation to any interested researcher to visit our garage full of Luftwaffe fighter parts with color and collection of documents, etc. and have a face to face civil discussion. A lot of new research will be revealed the forthcoming book now in the works. Cheers, Jerry
  8. Here are two good samples of the colors in question . The RLM 76 piece is part of a wooden panel from a Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 330152 lost on 27 November 1944. The upper colors were 74/75. The oval panel was originally painted RLM 76 then was over painted with light green. It is from an Fw 190 A-8 JG 6 W.Nr.171681 found at Euedenbach airfield near Remagen. This green is the same color that is on NASM's He 219. Interesting also this green was the undersurface color found on the He 111s of KG 55 at Bad Wörishofen, Germany after the war. Our friend who lived there had many parts that he retrieved in 1946. As you can see these two colors are not related. Cheers, Jerry
  9. No problem D. B. I didn't make it very clear. Tomorrow I'm going to post a couple of good examples of these two colors. So people can draw their own conclusions. Cheers, Jerry
  10. One of the landing gear legs on the D-9"Black 8" that was pulled out of Lake Schwerin in Germany was painted with a light gray FS 26373 with doesn't quite match up with published chips of RLM 77. We were able to examine it close up not long after it came out of the water. The other leg was standard RLM 02. Warnecke and Böhm and others had no explanation for this color. One comment was 77 was only intended as a markings color as was not manufactured in quantity. Who knows?. The big problem is They were ordered to destroy documents regarding color so we have almost nothing on late war colors which leaves with a lot of speculation. One thing for sure is this late light green color is not light blue. There is a color film that shows D-13 engine cowlings on railway cars that are painting with RLM 75, RLM 76 and light green together. However there is some speculation that light green is the final version of RLM 76. But W and B says no that the RLM did not allow more than one color to have the same designation, some variation yes, but not a different color. In other words RLM 76 light blue could not be called light green. Sadly we have no known documentation either way. Mark Proulx has seen our collection and has some samples. D.B. Andrus, We are not the publishers of this book in the works and it's probably a long ways off.
  11. The source is the Fw 190 A-8 manual Technical description No.284 dated8 September, 1944 Cheers, Jerry
  12. Sorry but the light green is a separate color .PPG paint company did a scientific analysis of NASM's He 219 top color that has light green cross hatch design over the dark gray and produced a beautiful set of color chips and the one in question is a clear light yellow green. Ask Brett Green he was there and got a chip also. A couple of other examples are Leo Klatt's D-9 o 14./JG 26 recovered in 1997 had on the under surfaces originally 76 and was over painted in light green . Another was Werner Zech's "Black 8" W.Nr. 211028 had the under surface color light green over painted 76 light blue. These are not my words but the recovery team's. We have a lot of samples of this light green. One of them is a small oval panel from a JG 6 A-8 that was original 76 and over painted with light green. You can see some of these in my book along with the compass that is painted in original RLM 02. By the way I'm not the author of this new big book. Cheers, Jerry
  13. The total weight for the camouflage paint on a Fw 190 was 4.4 pounds. Cheers, Jerry
  14. There is a new large book in the works that will have a much new information that will answer a lot of questions about late war colors. One is that the late war light green and was a separate color than RLM 76 light blue and sometimes was used along side of 76 . In addition there are a lot of samples of light green that was painted over 76. There are still a lot of unanswered questions but there will lots of break through data. Cheers, Jerry
  15. Yes, "Red 22" does have a wooden prop noted from other photos . Cheers, jerry
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