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#1 Derek B

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:16 PM

Hi Guys,

OK, here we go with ehat shall be, hopefully, a fairly quick build, almost OOB (if possible). The kit itself is a well worn and battered Revell RF-4C Phantom that I picked up fairly cheaply at Duford Flying Legends airshow recently. The Phantom is an impressive aircraft on all accounts. I used to work on RAF Phantoms for a while, so I have some respect for them. After seeing some of the Phantom builds already completed on LSP, I had always promised myself the opportunity of making one. Japanese Phantom kits are out of my price range, however, I had the coice of buying either two other F-4E's or this RF-4C for the same price...I chose the RF-4C simply because you don't see that many of them being made in comparison to the fighter versions - I also wanted to make a UK Phantom in European 1 scheme B).


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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:27 PM

And this is the aircraft I wish to model. I have ordered the decals from Hannants.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:32 PM

Derek, we have a "Sill & Gasket" set that might work for you.

It's not aimed at any particular aircraft, but with careful planning(the kits do not agree on geometry, especially in 1/48) you will find these more to scale than the plastic parts. It also includes some bezels for an "E," which might be handy.

Sorry, no instructions available, but if you try a few test fits you'll find your way, particularly if you're fmailiar with the Phantom.


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Posted 17 July 2007 - 07:09 PM

Thanks Fred...I'll have to look into that (I haven't even considered the canopy yet - so thanks for the information). If I can finish the model for the UK Newark Expo in mid-October, it shall be entered in the standard kit class, which limits the amount of detailing that I can add to the model - I'll have to see if it's allowed.

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 01:00 PM

And this is the aircraft I wish to model. I have ordered the decals from Hannants.

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Derek, If you find that ECM pod (shown in the photo of plane you wish to build) in 32nd scale I'd appreciate knowing where if can be gotten. I need one or two of those.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 01:45 PM

Mike,

I shall be using the kit supplied ECM pod on my model (I think it is a AN/ALQ-119). The book picture shows a AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod fitted to the aircraft. The only a1/32 aircraft kit that I can think of currently that might have one is the Trumpeter A-10 Warthog - maybe someone can confirm this, or even supply you with a spare item if it does indeed turn out to have one. LSP Maverick (Larry Hawkins) may also be able to advise or assist you in this area.

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Derek, If you find that ECM pod (shown in the photo of plane you wish to build) in 32nd scale I'd appreciate knowing where if can be gotten. I need one or two of those.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 02:24 PM

Derek,

I received your message and will look for info for you.

Be careful regarding the electronic warfare pod!!! Most USAFE units used to have the ALQ-131 whereas similar CONUS units used the ALQ-119 (and later the ALQ-184)!

I've not checked the situation regarding this unit but I'm ready to bet that they did not used ALQ-119 AND ALQ-131...

BTW, the only available 1/32 ALQ-131 is produced by Flightpath (look here: http://home.clara.ne...th/fpmaster.htm and click on the "gunsmoke" link). It is a little bit overscale but on a Phantom pylon it is not really very noticeable.

I'm not really sure the Fotocut set may be used on this kit as it was initially made for the old Revell kit that was dimensionally different!

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 02:43 PM

Actually, our set was designed by a guy who had started with the old Revell kit and wound up scrapping the whole thing and doing a scale scratch-build. He then gave Fotocut permission to use/sell and so on.

The set was used there and is accurate according to his data.

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 03:20 PM

Thierry/Fred,

Thanks for your inputs.

Thierry: I suspect that you are quite correct about the UK based Phantoms using the AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod. I only have until October to complete this kit. I hope to enter it into my local IPMS branch contest, so I need to stick to the basic kit class rules, which means that I have very few choices. If I had time, I would research the hell out of this kit and modify/scratch build everything mentioned in your tweaks list (including a new AN/ALQ-131 pod).

Fred: I have checked the contest rules, and they do not allow any etched canopy parts in that particular class (basic kit). Unfortunately, it means that on this occasion, I cannot use your PE set. However, I'm sure that I shall be making other detailed Phantoms in the future, so it would come in useful then.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 08:50 AM

Blow-torches are all very well, but WHERE is the finale of the Spitfire wing build, and WHERE is that big Bleck Widder? As concerned citizens, we want answers! We have a right to know! :)

Cheers, Jean

P.S. OOB or not, it'll be a great Phantom.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 09:07 AM

As I wrote in the introduction of each tweak list, you take what you want!

Regarding the Fotocut set, I'm glad Fred clarified the picture! However, I didn't meant the problem was linked to the fact that the newer release was perfectly scaled whereas the older was incorrect. In fact, there're some dimensions issues in both kits (even if the more recent is far better). This means that a correctly scaled detail set (such as this one) needs to be "tuned" to be adapted to both models!

Derek, could you give me more info regarding what you need as well as the restrictions linked to the build as I've a lot of information regarding Phantoms and would like to know what you precisely need!

Cheers.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 11:44 AM

Hi Jean,

Three reasons for making this kit (plus a few others in an 'unmentional' scale) :)

1) My Son won't enter a model into the competition unless I do!

2) I need to try and 'keep my hand in', as I so seldom complete a 'normal' model these days, my model making and finishing skills are deteriorating pretty rapidly.

3) During the process of continual master pattern making, I need something in-between that will help me maintain my sanity!

My pattern making hasn't stopped, which is why I am going OOB for this (and the other) kits. A quick update on the other projects:

Spitfire F.21/22/24 wing - This is currently with another pattern maker, who is filling the hollows and voids with resin for me, thus making it a solid wing. Once it is returned, I can then complete the undecarriage bay and doors, and scribe and paint it - then it shall be ready for production.

Bleck Widder :) - This one is on hold until I can draw up some accurate fuselage cross-section profiles, however, this one is verrry long term build!

Thanks for your encouragement, I shall try my best not to completely screw it up ;).

Cheers

Derek

Blow-torches are all very well, but WHERE is the finale of the Spitfire wing build, and WHERE is that big Bleck Widder? As concerned citizens, we want answers! We have a right to know! :lol:

Cheers, Jean

P.S. OOB or not, it'll be a great Phantom.


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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:27 PM

Thierry,

True, you do! (it is a very good list). I shall try to get the exact competition wording for you. They are pretty well closely aligned with normal UK IPMS Scale Model World rules, but have more flexible ruling in some areas to give the older kits a chance against the newer crop of kits.

Basically, you are allowed to detail the cockpit interior using scratchbuilt or other items, replacement seats and the addition of seat belts. PE parts are not allowed (canopy detail sets, for example). The only vague area here is that a model that is deemed to have extensive areas of scratch built detail is not allowed - so knowing 'how far to go' is a bit of a judgement call in this area!

You can rescribe the model, and thin down parts to a scale thicknes (such as trailing edges, etc), but you are not allowed to alter the planform or correct the overall shape of the kit parts. Open undercarriage bays, etc, can be 'boxed-in' and detailed. Engine blanks/covers can be fitted. Different markings and foil finishes are allowed. Different weapon loads are allowed.

Any major re-shaping of kit parts (including 'cross-kitting of parts to improve the shape), extensive scratch building or fitting of different after market detail parts or sets to improve accuracy or alter the aircraft mark constitues a modified or converted kit. If the model is completed as a visibly different mark to the intended version, then that also is not allowed (for instance, a Spitfire Mk.I completed as a Mk.II would be OK, as the aircraft are essentially the same, however, a Mk.I Spitfire completed as a Mk.XII would not be).

That, from memory, just about concludes the main basic kit class rules for this local IPMS model expo contest - there are few other to go with it, but they mainly cover how you are allowed to display the model. I can understand, and appreciate why the rules have been formulated that way, but the boundaries are down to the judges discretion. So, whilst it may be possible to drive the proverbial 'bus' through some of the rules regarding the amount of detail to use, others are a bit more of a tough call to make.

In terms of specific information required for my build, good line drawings for the RF-4C would help me, along with cockpit line drawing/pictures in order to determine what level of detail is required here (I really have no idea about what detail lives behind/in-between the seats/instrument panels, or the front cockpit windcreen coaming panel detail?)- I am just about OK with the ejection seat information. I noticed in your tweaks list that you refer to certain numbered aircraft panels - this is OK if you already have access to, or know, what - and where - all of the aircraft panels are in the first place! (I worked out from your taxt that it is immediately behind the aft canopy) - so a panel chart wold also assist me. Jet pipe interior and undercarriage bay details are another area that I may need to address, otherwise, I think that I can probably get by (with a little help from my LSP jet experts ;)). I am considering using the Kits large centre-line fuel tank and AN/ALQ-119 ECM pod as equipment fit - mainly because I don't think that I can bend the rules enough to fit anything else, and also to make the aircraft look 'busy' :)

Many thanks for your assistance Thierry

Best regards

Derek



As I wrote in the introduction of each tweak list, you take what you want!

Regarding the Fotocut set, I'm glad Fred clarified the picture! However, I didn't meant the problem was linked to the fact that the newer release was perfectly scaled whereas the older was incorrect. In fact, there're some dimensions issues in both kits (even if the more recent is far better). This means that a correctly scaled detail set (such as this one) needs to be "tuned" to be adapted to both models!

Derek, could you give me more info regarding what you need as well as the restrictions linked to the build as I've a lot of information regarding Phantoms and would like to know what you precisely need!

Cheers.


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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:58 PM

Mike,

I shall be using the kit supplied ECM pod on my model (I think it is a AN/ALQ-119). The book picture shows a AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod fitted to the aircraft. The only a1/32 aircraft kit that I can think of currently that might have one is the Trumpeter A-10 Warthog - maybe someone can confirm this, or even supply you with a spare item if it does indeed turn out to have one. LSP Maverick (Larry Hawkins) may also be able to advise or assist you in this area.

Regards

Derek

Thank you for the reply Derek. I don't believe Larry has any as I had talked with him about scratch building one in the past. I have never seen the FlightPath piece assembled or hung on a model and it just doesn't seem worth the expence,it doesn't seem corect for some reason. Hopefully you'll undertake those other F-4 builds and scratchbuild one and make it available to those who might want/need one or two.
Mike

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:08 PM

Hi Mike,

Sounds like you are right. If anyone can provide me with some accurate drawings/pictures/dimensions for an AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod, I shall definately master one for production.

Cheers

Derek


Thank you for the reply Derek. I don't believe Larry has any as I had talked with him about scratch building one in the past. I have never seen the FlightPath piece assembled or hung on a model and it just doesn't seem worth the expence,it doesn't seem corect for some reason. Hopefully you'll undertake those other F-4 builds and scratchbuild one and make it available to those who might want/need one or two.
Mike


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