san_miguel Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Hi all, I'm about to start an F-4J and an F-15J. I wanted to try alclad 2 for the first time on the exhaust, but its proving difficult (actually impossible) to find here in Calgary. Are there any reasonable alternatives that i could get away with? Or does anybody in Calgary know where i can get it? Cheers, Chris Von Schlepp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Hello Chris, welcome aboard ! Can't answer your question but there are many here that can.....Harv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
san_miguel Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Thanks a lot. Glad to be here. Amazing site I did find it online in Canada but it would be nice to have an alternative Cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Chris I've been an Alclad guy for quite some time and wouod never think of changing. Is there anything I can help you with? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
san_miguel Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Chris I've been an Alclad guy for quite some time and wouod never think of changing. Is there anything I can help you with? Peter Could you make it more readily available in Calgary??? Thank you though, once i get it i'm sure the questions will be flowing. I've read great things about it. I can't wait to try it out Cheers Smokeyforgothispassword 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurth Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 There is always the Testors Metalizer line. There are a lot of shades to choose from, but they are delicate, not tough like alclad. Gunze has a similar product, called Mr. Metal color. There are some other new ones on the market, but I have only seen them discussed on forums, and do not know much about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogsATX Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Gunze Super Metallics are fantastic and in my opinion spray better than Alclad. Jan_K and EmperorKai 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 We're here if needed. Looking forward to seeing your up coming work Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan_K Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Gunze Super Metallics are fantastic and in my opinion spray better than Alclad. I vote for Gunze too...the Alclad is too soft. Removing masks also removes the metal paint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jan Not true. I've used Alclad's for years, masked on top with almost every build and have never once had a spec of Alclad lift or pull off. I've handled it with clean hands a few minutes after application and have never had any problems with fingerprints or marks. For me, no finer product for a NMF Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbeek Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) I have only work whit the Metalizer's from Testor and I like them. I think that those where the first on the market. Maybe useful too: http://www.uschivdr.com/shopping-categories/shop-colors-paints-pigments-primer/metallic-colors-pigments/ Edited June 27, 2015 by Verbeek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan_K Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Jan Not true. I've used Alclad's for years, masked on top with almost every build and have never once had a spec of Alclad lift or pull off. I've handled it with clean hands a few minutes after application and have never had any problems with fingerprints or marks. For me, no finer product for a NMF Peter Well... I am sorry, I just saw what I wrote. I used Gunze surfacer and Hansa low tack masking foil...and the glossy top layer went off. And I am not the only one to experience the problem. e.g. see here: However, if applied over flat base primer, (E) and (G) will have little to no reflectance and masking tape will peel the ALCLAD II totally off the surface. http://www.largescaleplanes.com/tips/MikeMcLeod/NMF/nmf.php Urs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Jan I'm not sure why others have had problems with Alclad lifting and peeling. I always prime with either Mr Surfacer 1000 or now with MiG Surface Primer and after letting the primer dry completely, follow up with a super smooth base coat of Tamiya Gloss Black. When dry (this is the only case I let Tamiya paints dry overnight) and then apply the Alclad, building up light layers. Normally I'll let the Alclad dry for no more then a half hour and mask on top with Tamiya tape that I de-tack very well. There just shouldn't be any reason for the Alcald to lift when done this way. I always sand and polish the model surface from 320 - 12,000, so there are no imperfections to deal with. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Belford Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I share the same experiance with Peter with them Alclads and masking. never peel or colorlift from Alclad. as mong as the inderneath coats are well dry amd cured i handle my models just 15-30 minutes after Alclad is on, its hot and dries real fast...and no finger print problems...if finger prins occut is due the fact that underlyiong primer/paint is not cured. /Mal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero77 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 An excellent alternative to Alclads (which are great paints, though) is the new range of AK Xtreme Metal. They are as good as alclad, or even better. I found that the high shine ones are more resistant that Alcads ones (please note that i only talk about the high shine, the standard ones are all very resistant if applied correctly). However, i dont know if they would be easier to get in Canada as they come from Spain. But i think they ship worldwide. Out2gtcha and Mister J 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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