Wackyracer Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 An idea which type this 109 this is please? The photo (attached) has it as an Erla G-10 which it clearly isn't by the cowling by the cockpit. BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain11 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) hi a friend of mine did this 109 at the big scale ( he knows the subget like the back of his hand ) ... this is a 109 G6 AS / N .... his build Alain Edited December 18, 2017 by alain11 AdamR, Gazzas, LSP_Paul and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackyracer Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 That's perfect and the build is magnificent too. Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyax Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I am not sure of it, it has the long tail wheel. I tough the Bf109G-6AS has the short tail wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I am not sure of it, it has the long tail wheel. I tough the Bf109G-6AS has the short tail wheel. I'm wondering if the tailwheel extension is a result of the A/C being jacked up so that the mechanic can work on it? Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunda Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Yup- G-6AS. Also agree as to why the tailwheel seems so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airfixer Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Bf 109G-6/AS. "White 7" featured the earliest variant of the Erla canopy, the so-called replacement canopy which retained the original Bf 109G canopy release machanism, the tubular support frame of the original fixed rear canopy as well as the fuselage mounted antenna mast with its slightly protruding mast mounting plate - a typical feature of later G-5/AS, G-6 and very few G-8 aircraft. The G-14/AS introduced the revised release machanism, also introducing the production variant of the Erla canopy which differed slightly from the replacement canopy. The a/c also featured the deeper Fo 987 oil cooler sometimes found on late G-6 airframes. "White 7" also featured the standard Bf 109G eqipment cover. All-metal tall tail, rudder and elevator assembly. The later G-14/G-10/K-4 extended tail wheel strut is indeed quite an unusual feature. However, it seems to be only a retrofit to an existing G-6/AS airframe. Edited December 18, 2017 by Airfixer BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyax Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I looks like an all RLM 76 aircraft from NJG.11 so I think it's a G-10 like white 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airfixer Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Yes, it's definitely a NJG 11 aircraft. And yes, NJG 11 had indeed some overall RLM 76 Bf 109G-10 on strength, e.g. "White 43" or "White 44". But this particular aircraft is positively not a G-10. Features clearly arguing against a G-10: different charger intake lack of the characteristic "chin bulges" position of the oil tank filling point cover canopy release mechanism/bearing + replacement canopy lack of the enlarged equipment cover fuselage mounted antenna mast (if installed, the G-10 had its antenna mast mounted to the rear canopy) Edited December 18, 2017 by Airfixer alain11 and BiggTim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain11 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 hi dear Kameraden I 've contacted my friend ,:" are you sure ??????" his reply is :" yes , this is a G6 version , this version had been produced till the end of the war , along side of later variants ( G10 ,K4) , it was not rare to find some G6 with later improvements like tall rudder , Erla canopy etc.... . about the "tall " tail wheell ," his idea is that the AC was jacked up ( as noticed above) so the the actuator could be extended ( why not ) ...another detail , the main gear legs are G6 version , the wheel are " parallel " to the legs if you know what I mean ..... after all of this make your own opinion ...... your sincerly Alain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I'm wondering if the tailwheel extension is a result of the A/C being jacked up so that the mechanic can work on it? I'd say no. If it could, it would be extended like that in flight. The G-6/AS (late), G-10/AS and G-14/AS all had (could have) tall tails, tall tailwheels, and no chin bumps. Early G-14/AS had the thinner wheels. I can't see anything in the pic that would distinguish one from the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) I'd say no. If it could, it would be extended like that in flight. The G-6/AS (late), G-10/AS and G-14/AS all had (could have) tall tails, tall tailwheels, and no chin bumps. Early G-14/AS had the thinner wheels. I can't see anything in the pic that would distinguish one from the other. Yeah Mike ... I did think about that as I was posting ... Thing is ... besides the A/C being jacked up, the hatch on the fuse is also open ... and I was wondering whether the tail wheel LG was being replaced or getting some maintenance? As in: maybe it would look longer if it was being dropped out? Probably unlikely ... but thats why I left the post there ... Another thought ... don't G-6's have those buelle bumps on the cowl? Rog Edited December 19, 2017 by Artful69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 ... and I was wondering whether the tail wheel LG was being replaced or getting some maintenance? As in: maybe it would look longer if it was being dropped out? G-6 tailwheels had scissor links that would be visible if it was dropped like that for maintenance. Another thought ... don't G-6's have those buelle bumps on the cowl? Not the AS. It had the Db605 A which had a larger supercharger that required the modified cowling. These were the late G-6s. Man this can get confusing Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airfixer Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) Man this can get confusing Agreed. Most definitely a weapon of mass confusion. By the way, the later extended and simplified tail wheel could also be found on Finnish G-6s. IIRC, some late swiss G-6s also had them. However, on a Luftwaffe G-6 [sic] it's a rarely seen feature. Just wondering whether that mythical "G-10/AS" designation will ever become extinct... Edited December 19, 2017 by Airfixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just wondering whether that mythical "G-10/AS" designation will ever become extinct... I wouldn't say as much a myth as a clarification. There was no G-10/AS designation at the time, a few (I've read 50) G-10s that had the 605A with the larger diameter supercharger were built. AS designates the 605A engine, S stood for sonder (special). So 109s the the 605A 'should' be designated AS. I've also read that AS stood for 'anpassung setzt' which translates to 'adaption sets' (not that it matters). On another note, I blew up the photo and I don't think the a/c is actually sitting on a jackstand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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