Derek B Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Another question to the collective please? I have the vintage Revell 1/32 Dassault Mirage IIIE kit, but wanted to know what the difference is between this kit and the Revell 1/32 Mirage 5 kit? (apart from the nose and I guess a longer and different jet pipe and fuselage extension). I think that I am trying to determine if there are any real main fuselage shape alterations? I really wanted to buy a Mirage 5 kit, but the IIIE kit came along cheaply, so I bought it. My real interest is actually the Atar 09K-50 engine used in the Mirage 50, and how this differs to the normal Mirage 5 Atar 09C engine. The reason for all of this?, well, I am considering scratch building a Mirage F 1CG, which appears to have only one thing in common with the Mirage 5, the Atar 09K-50 engine. I was hoping that I could get hold of either a Mirage 5 kit, or the engine parts, to use as the (at the very least) a hollow core structure on which to build up a 1/32 scratch built Mirage F 1CG model. If the basic Revell Mirage 5 kit engine parts are anything like even close to the Atar 09K-50, then I have something to work with - anything else that I can use from the kit would be a bonus! I am aware that the Mirage F 1C is a very different beast in pretty much every respect from the Mirage IIIE/5, but both aircraft are not too dissimilar in size and some parts from the earlier Mirage kits may be useful for incorporation into the newer Mirage project (you'll be surprised how inventive I can be when it comes to hacking up plastic kits!). So, over to you guys for your usual considered thoughts and abuse answers Cheers Derek Menelaos and Zero77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Derek, i have several Revell "E" kits and some Mirage V boxes, but you're project sounds very interesting, so i'll check both kits if there are major differences, but of what i remembered as to the sprues they are almost similar, certainly the engine parts, so that wouldn't be an option i guess. Get back to you. Jack. Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Sounds interesting my friend !.........Harv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Hi Derek, I am 100% sure there are no structural difference even if I didn't look at the contents of my boxes for years. If my memory is right, the changes between the releases were quite limited: nose, fin and drop tanks. Hth Thierry Derek B and Jack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Well here it is in a nutshell, and like Thierry already said, no structural differences: From top to bottom, the "israeli 5J/ French 5F" kit has a longer nose, and frontal tail extension, but for the rest all the items/sprues that can be found in any other old Revell Mirage kit. The second and third kit are the standard releases with both short nose and recce nose, but funny enough the second one has the same vertical tail with the extension part up front like the "F" but it being a so-called IIIE, whereas the third is one of the latest re-re-releases with the normal tail, but it has a very nice decal sheet, containing Aussie markings. Also the "Mephisto" all black Mirage 5BR has normal and recce nose and normal tail, etc, etc, etc.... Jack. Edited January 18, 2017 by Jack Menelaos and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) AFAIK, only the 5J kit had any differences and the other boxings are the same plastic. The 5BA Blue Thunder boxing has the same plastic (except for the color) as the original Mirage IIIE release. A lot of the boxings that say they are for a 5 or specific version, usually aren't that accurate since they are almost always just a snazzy new decal sheet with the old plastic. Edited January 18, 2017 by Dave Williams Jack and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Derek my friend we already discussed that point previously. I do tried to convert the III into a F1. Very difficult. But not impossible. There are some points where the F1 is total different than the III. I will try to find my drawings for conversion to show you the difference. will send you the data, but I have to look first Edited January 18, 2017 by Menelaos Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Do it Derek then Italeri or possibly KH will release an OOB 1/32 Mirage F.1 Tony Dragon, Jack, Zero77 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Thank you all for your valuable input (particularly Jack, Thierry, Dave and Menelaos). I wondered particularly if the jet pipe size or shape differed. Of course, Menelaos knows full well where I am heading here and his previous inputs are very valuable to me. I am very happy to totally scratch build an F 1CG, even if it will not be straight forward, which is why I hoped that some of the kit parts may be of use. Thank you all once more for your help. Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Do it Derek then Italeri or possibly KH will release an OOB 1/32 Mirage F.1 Tony Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 AFAIK, the 5 used the same Atar 9C as the IIIE, so there would have been no changes in the Revell kit plastic, no matter which boxing. The 5 was basically just a IIIE with a longer and more slender nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Derek look here: http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw3/miragef1.html http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/miragef1lldc.html http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/miragef1aiv.html http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/miragef1kr.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 AFAIK, the 5 used the same Atar 9C as the IIIE, so there would have been no changes in the Revell kit plastic, no matter which boxing. The 5 was basically just a IIIE with a longer and more slender nose. Thanks Dave - I just wondered how close the Atar 09C (as used in the IIIE and 5) was to the Atar K9-50 used in the Mirage 50? (and Mirage IV A and F 1CG). Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Derek look here: http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw3/miragef1.html http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/miragef1lldc.html http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/miragef1aiv.html http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/miragef1kr.html Thanks Menelaos - I could not re-locate them on-line, so thank you once more for them (I shall make good use of them). Best regards Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunwinglow Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I know the jet nozzle will need making, but I'd have thought that was the least of your problems!! Sorry, opportunities......😊 Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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