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#31 The Southern Bandit

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:04 PM

Out of interest Tony, what films do you actually enjoy watching? I've got my note book at the ready to nit pick every part of the one ones you so like.

Let it go, please, we've read your and others arguments about realism CGI ETC a thousand times over, we get you are a detail realism expert, most of us are too, but sometimes we need to take that uber detail head off in order to enjoy ourselves for a night out at the Cinema with family and friends.

Jeez mate, love scale accuracy too, Movie accuracy too, but sometimes you need to let go and enjoy.

Have you actually seen Dunkirk Tony, at the cinema, have you?

This is all so sad, even if i get my points about cinema across, some here will want to argue accuracy on film or plastic.

Lets not forget the REAL message of Nolan's Dunkirk, folks it was not for us types, it was a reminder for the general population, young and old, that ...
 

1. During May 1940 the so-called “ phoney war” came to an end as the Germans swept through Belgium and Northern France in a Blitzkrieg that left many soldiers of the British Expeditionary Force stranded as they were pushed back towards the sea.

2. The new prime minister, Winston Churchill, ordered the BEF’s commander, Lord Gort, to evacuate as many troops back to Britain as possible as the army retreated to the area around the port of Dunkirk.

3. On May 20 the British began formulating Operation Dynamo, led by Vice-Admiral Bertram Ramsay.

It was named after the dynamo room in the Dover cliffs where their operation HQ was based.

4. “Nothing but a miracle can save the BEF now,” said General Alan Brooke.

5. Initially it was estimated that just 45,000 men could be evacuated in 48 hours. Instead the operation was to become the biggest evacuation in military history.

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6. A call was sent out for as many naval vessels as possible to help the Royal Navy – including small craft that could get close to the waiting soldiers in the shallow waters.

7. British civilians responded in their droves with everything from private yachts, motor launches, lifeboats, paddle steamers and barges joining the effort.

The craft came from as far away as the Isle of Man.  

8. The smallest boat to take part was the Tamzine, a 14ft open-topped fi shing boat, now in the Imperial War Museum.

9. On the eve of the operation a national day of prayer was declared with King George VI attending a special service in Westminster Abbey.

10. The evacuation began on May 27. Just 8,000 soldierswere rescued. 

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Some of the Little Ships at Ramsgate Royal Harbour

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338,000 troops were rescued from the beaches of Dunkirk in Operation Dynamo

11. But over the next eight days a total of 338,226 Allied soldiers were successfully brought back across the English Channel while under attack on all sides.

12. As well as British forces a total of 140,000 French, Polish and Belgian troops were also saved.

13. The total number of vessels involved, including Royal Navy ships and civilian craft, was 933.

14. Around 200,000 men were picked up from the Dunkirk Mole – a long stone and wooden jetty at the mouth of the port.

Soldiers had to wait patiently whil e under attack from enemy aircraft.

15. The rest of the men were evacuated from the beaches, often having to wait hours in shoulder -deep water.

16. Around 700 “little ships ” took part often with civilians at the helm, picking up soldiers from the shallows.

They would then deliver the men to larger ships or take them all the way home.

17. Some were amazed at the patience of the troops. Signaller Alfred Baldwin recalled: “You had the impression of people standing waiting for a bus. There was no pushing or shoving.”

A paddle steamer called the Medway Queen made a total of seven round trips to Dunkirk and managed to rescue 7,000 men in total.

19. The Royal Daffodil, a Mersey ferry that also took part, was attacked by six German aircraft.

Despite being holed below the water line and having a bullet fly within inches of the fuel tank she still managed to limp back to port with her human cargo.

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British prisoners and German soldiers, Dunkirk, France, 1940

You had the impression of people standing waiting for a bus. There was no pushing or shoving

Signaller Alfred Baldwin

20. One seaman recalled: “The little boats listed drunkenly with the weight of the men.”

21. The evacuation was aided by the fact that Hitler halted a full -scale attack on Dunkirk with his Panzer tanks – trusting that his air force would stop the Royal Navy from pulling off the feat.

22. The RAF fought hard to combat the bombs raining down on the men waiting on the beaches, flying a total of 3,500 sorties and losing 145 aircraft while the Luftwaffe lost 156.

23. A restored Spitfire which crashed on a French beach during the days of the period of the evacuation is expected to fetch £2.5million.

24. During the evacuation lorries were lashed together in the sea to construct makeshift jetties to help get soldiers aboard boats.

25. More than 200 ships and boats were lost during the evacuation with many tragedies . On May 29 the destroyer Wakeful was torpedoed and sank in 15 seconds with the loss of 600 lives. 26It is estimated that around 3,500 British were killed at sea or on the beaches and  more than 1,000 Dunkirk citizens in air raids.

27. The overall success of the Dunkirk operation was partly down to British units such as the 51st Highland Division fighting a fi erce rear-guard action.

28. In the retreat to Dunkirk some units had been  ordered to “fight to the last man”.

29. During the escape to Dunkirk there were incredible acts of bravery such as that of Major Gus Jennings who died smothering a German stick bomb at Esquelbecq trying to save his fellow soldiers.  

30. Then there was Captain Marcus Ervine-Andrews, who was awarded the VC after he single-handedly held off 17 Germans defending part of the Dunkirk perimeter, then led eight of his men to safety, wading through the canals in chin-high water.

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Some of the Little Ships preparing to set sail for France

31. There were also atrocities.

On May 27, 97 men from the Royal Norfolk Regiment ran out of ammunition and surrendered at the village of Le Paradis.

They were then shot in cold blood on the orders of the SS.

32. Around 40,000 British troops never made it back across the Channel and became P oWs.

33. Many of those ended up having to endure forced marches into Germany and served as slave labour for the Nazis, including working in mines and factories .

34. But a few of those left behind, such as Bill Lacey from Devon, made dramatic escapes. He stole a French fi shing vessel and sailed it back to Britain on his own. 35 Also left behind in France was a huge amount of British military equipment including 2,400 artillery guns, 65,000 vehicles and 68,000 tonnes of ammunition. Some 445 British tanks were also lost. 36 Churchill hailed Dunkirk as a “miracle” but also warned relieved Britons that “wars are not won by evacuations ”.

37. He went on to give one of his most famous speeches to the House of Commons in which he vowed that: “We shall fi ght on the beaches, we shall fi ght on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fi elds and in the streets, we shall fi ght in the hills. We shall never surrender!”

38. The phrase “Dunkirk spirit” has since become part of the language used to toast people who pull together in a time of adversity.

39. Hitler’s failure to capture the British army at Dunkirk has been called one of the great turning points of the war.


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#32 Jennings Heilig

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:05 PM

My feeling exactly. I gave it a B-

I expected more.
Actually a lot more.
Wasn't bad, but that is all I can say unfortunately.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:12 PM

Then tell me what exactly you did enjoy in this Movie genre?

I'll be happy to give my rating on your opinion too.

C'mon Jennings and others who love to crap on peoples works, what do you find good?


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#34 Jennings Heilig

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 02:06 PM

C'mon Jennings and others who love to crap on peoples works, what do you find good?

 

 

Excuse me?  I don't know what your problem is, but I'm not participating in your little drama, sorry.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 02:15 PM

Guys,

This is supposed to be a light hearted take on a movie review. Basically peoples opinions on a movie.   Lets keep it to that please.  We each have our own, and they are not always what ours our so if they aren't yours, lets just move on and agree to disagree please.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:13 PM

Maybe everyone should go watch Rashomon...

Which is a truly great film.
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:41 PM


I stand by Nolans message about Dunkirk and I bet half the folk here who go on auto hate about the film have not seen or heard it properly, they put the accuracy head on,and just get dumber and dumber,  well guess what guys, you will never be satisfied in any area of life, sometimes .... you ....... Just .......... need ...................to  ..................................let, things go

If you hate inaccurate war movies, then good luck in your pursuit of finding a good one.

Dunkirk is a good war movie IMHO, rivet counting needs to be stopped from time to time, the overall message of Dunkirk is a good one, its a reminder, NOT FOR US, most of us here do not need that, but when you see folk having been reminded, time and time again, come back with the same old "accuracy" ... I'm a perfectionist rivet counter trash, its time to stand up to it.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:44 PM

Excuse me?  I don't know what your problem is, but I'm not participating in your little drama, sorry.

 

Its an honest question and the drama came from you.

List your favorite war movies here, do it, quite open to rational discussion.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:02 PM

Dude, I get all your points. I just did not like the film. My dislike had nothing to do with rivet counting.

And it is not all gushing going on in the Star Wars thread. The OP started off by stating his dislike for that film. I certainly don't "gush" over any movie; never have or will. They all have flaws IMO.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:04 PM

Settle down a bits here lads. Keep the comments about this thread, and not about others. It does no good, especially when trying to compare a movie, especially one of fiction, and another based on real events. The easier thing is to just lock the thread, but I'm loathe to do that just yet.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:39 PM

Locked for the same reason as the Star Wars thread

We don't need to be moderating things like this and if it can't stay civil then it needs to go
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