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#1 red Dog

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:12 AM

Hello gents,

 

The 2017 monster project is going out the planning phase and about to be started.

 

The idea is to reproduce something like that:

 

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Trumpeter A-6A converted to KA-6D refuelling a trumpeter A-7E during Desert storm

I love the idea of matching up an early USNavy paint scheme of the KA-6D and the older TPS of the corsair in the same model.

The obvious downside will the the size of the display in 1/32. 

 

 

The Trumpeter A-7E:

 

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- A-7E trumpeter

- Zactoman canopy and nose correction - I don't have the full intake trunk

- Eduard exterior PE

- Black Box A-7E cockpit

- I'll need a pilot, it will be either PJ or Master's haven't decided yet

- The decals will be either VA-46 clansmen or VA-72 from the Victory production sheet

- It will also be the first time I'll try the Mr paint acrylics rather than my beloved Gunze

 

The A-6A

 

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- A-6A trumpeter

- KA-6D conversion from Steelbeach

- Seamless Intakes from Rhino models

- AOA stencils decals

- SAC buddy refuelling pod

- 2 pilots, either PJ or Master's

 

I'll still need to sort a few issues with the A-6 such as the cockpit and more especially the seats. IW asn't able to find which seats are in the KA-6D. So i held off buying anything for the pit yet.

Decals will also be an issue as KA-6D decals aren't easy to find for that period. Basically i have two choices, the one from the picture above (VA-75) for which there is no decals available and therefore will imply custom decal artwork or the Va-35 black panther. Decals don't exist for the hi vis refueller, but I could use the AOA decals and convert them with rather ease...

 

But anyway, I'll start with the A-7 so I have plenty of time to decide which way to go with the KA-6D

It's going to be a slow build so bear with me and don't hesitate to post comments, i'll probably have many questions as I progress

 

On the way to some fun modelling...


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:21 AM

Here's a good picture of the KA-6D seats. 

 

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Those are GRU-7, right?

So basically can we say that the KA-6D have been retrofitted with GRU-7 like the A-6E?  


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:24 AM

OMW, that looks  epic


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:02 AM

Holly cow......!!!!!

That's truly a big project....

 

Both loves flying together ..


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:18 AM

Quite a monster project. Sounds like a square base with more than a meter by meter in size ...
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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:19 AM

This will be one to watch


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 11:20 AM

Great idea. Looks like fun, too. 


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 12:00 PM

Ambitious project, look forward to seeing this. I had dreamed of something similar but from Vietnam period but doubt I'll ever get to it.

Yes the tankers had GRU-7 seats by that point in their life.

Like you mentioned, the AOA VA-35 Desert Storm sheet could be used/modified but not much would be able to be used for the tanker. As you probably know you'd need to add the red lightning bolt through the AA tail code, and you'd have to mask a white circle on the tail before putting down the large panther marking. Other than the crew helmet decals, pretty much everything else common on the sheet for VA-35 is grey so you'd be on your own for what needs to be black for the tanker (USS SARATOGA, NAVY, etc) plus you'd need obviously new BuNo, modex, wing markings, crew names.

Also, if you're looking for an even more low-viz A-7 option, AirDoc makes/made the non-CAG version from VA-72.
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Posted 02 April 2017 - 12:39 PM

Thank you guys, monster project indeed.

I think I will plan it so it can be separated and have two in-flight rather than one huge display. Haven't decided yet about how the support stuff will look like. The corsair will probably be very low on its stand so I can avoid putting the intruder too high.

The good thing is that these two are rather close to each other when refuelling.

 

 

Yes the tankers had GRU-7 seats by that point in their life.

 

 

Thank you for confirming this, Ziggy

 

Like you mentioned, the AOA VA-35 Desert Storm sheet could be used/modified but not much would be able to be used for the tanker. As you probably know you'd need to add the red lightning bolt through the AA tail code, and you'd have to mask a white circle on the tail before putting down the large panther marking. Other than the crew helmet decals, pretty much everything else common on the sheet for VA-35 is grey so you'd be on your own for what needs to be black for the tanker (USS SARATOGA, NAVY, etc) plus you'd need obviously new BuNo, modex, wing markings, crew names.

 

Yep, Considering my abilities to do custom decals, I'm mostly worried with the black panther logo. The white circle and the red bolt would be easy enough to paint. The black stencils or marking is by far the easiest to print custom, so I'm not too worried with them.
But it's the reason why I haven't bought the sheet yet (I'd waste a lot of it). Although the crew helmet would probably be the deciding factor in buying the sheet  -  that's what I'll probably do in the end :)

 

 

Also, if you're looking for an even more low-viz A-7 option, AirDoc makes/made the non-CAG version from VA-72.

 

I have read that the hi vis CO  markings were applied on the return trip. But I have pictures of Hi Vis VA-72 modex 400 on the way to target. They don't have the red/white/blue band but they do have the colored tail
But to be honest, my preference goes to the clansmen sqn


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 02:04 PM

This looks awesome. I'm in for the long haul......Harv :popcorn:


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 03:30 PM

Following along as well.

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 04:24 PM

Ambitious! I'll be watching with interest...


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 05:32 PM

A monster project indeed. Here are some pics of a KA-6D from VA-75 from that time period:
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:00 PM

thanks for the pictures Jari ;)


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:46 PM

Fantastic project and I'm looking forward to following with great interest

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