thierry laurent Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Hi, The HPH Albatros is a terrific kit. Unfortunately, I'm not really fond of the color schemes. The Thai camo and AIM-9 warload look far more attractive to my eyes. However, such a camo scheme choice generated two questions: - The markings: not the easiest part but with part of the kit stencils, an enlarged copy of 1/48th ones, possibly national markings from a F-5E and some other custom markings, this should be possible. Indeed, I don't think we will ever get large scale decals for this obscure version... - The cockpit changes: The plane got Israeli avionics and an Elbit HUD that will have to be scratchbuild. Here I found conflicting information. I found one picture of the front IP and except the different HUD, this looks similar to a classical ZA configuration. HOWEVER, Eduard released this version in small scale and added a CRT/LCD display on the right side of this front panel! So, I'm a little bit puzzled! Does this means that there were different versions of the IP: proto/production or different batches? Or is somebody wrong? The lack of references about the Albatros (nothing except the WWP book) does not really help... So if anybody has any relevant information about such aspects, do not hesitate to publish them! Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Just to show you what can be done with the kit: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=270998&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1 Rick Griewski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Nice model thanks for the link, as you no doubt know Siam Scale produced a set in 1/48 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=257657 & http://www.modelivery.com/product.detail_331934_en_1439782# I did contact the shop to see if they were going to be released in 1/32, but this was back in December 2012, maybe Eli could be persuaded http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=28641&page=17&hl=siam&do=findComment&comment=376727 Edited April 15, 2014 by Kagemusha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Some close ups http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?72088-Cope-Tiger-2006-Largest-Air-Power-In-South-East-Asia Front office http://l-39.cz/L-39_verze.html Edited April 15, 2014 by Kagemusha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Thanks Andy. I had such pictures. Btw if you look at the cockpit picture on the Czech site and compare it with the IP decal on the Siam decals (or the Eduard IP), you will see the conflicting information I mentioned in my post: no CRT/LCD display on the picture but one on the decals! I guess the picture probably shows a prototype. So, I'm still looking for correct pit pictures. I forgot Eli's question. I've the complete Thai blue camo scheme as I've some dozens of good external pictures but do not have sufficient close up of the stencils. So even if a decal scheme was considered I do not have enough information to make a comprehensive scheme. I'll try to get the quarter scale sheet. Thierry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Well I'm not finding anything else on the Thai cockpit sadly. The stencils are in English Some great photos http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2009/09/X8289448/X8289448.html Edited April 15, 2014 by Kagemusha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Thanks a lot Andy! I didn't find this page. Some pictures will be very useful!!! I thought twice regarding the IP. Such an advanced type of HUD normally repeats data displayed on a CRT/LCD. So, I'll go with this configuration: http://cs.finescale.com/mobile/forums/thread.aspx?ThreadID=65300 This is not the best reference but as Siam decals and Eduard are agreeing, this is better than nothing... Too bad HPH did not include this version on the Eduard sheet of the kit. This would not have ask for a lot of effort as Eduard released this in a smaller scale! The IP parts are so nice it is a little bit frustrating to be forced to modify them. Thierry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) I did find that one on Fine Scale, very frustrating not to be able to find the real thing, some good photos and a video on this site http://thaidefense-news.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/l-39-wing-41-wing-4-new-color.html#uds-search-results & http://thaidefense-news.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/l-39-wing-41-wing-4-new-color.html#uds-search-results Edited April 16, 2014 by Kagemusha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yes Indeed! I found this site as well but navigating on it is a true pain. I've probably solved the problem as I just ordered a walkaround DVD of different Thai and US jets! I'll give you more details when this will arrive. Thanks again for your help!!! Kagemusha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) My pleasure Thierry - I also want to make a Thai Albatros, so all good research. Bit of useful information https://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitmain/area-in2.asp?parent=169&num=175&num2=175 Edited April 16, 2014 by Kagemusha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Ok, Here's the actual pit configuration: 1. The picture of the cockpit on the Czech site depicts correctly the front office. 2. The two IPs on the finescale page are inversed. The panel with the MFD is in fact the rear one! Thierry Kagemusha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just tried to pm you Thierry regards this subject, think your in box is full... ...and did you get the dvd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Oooops! Sorry. I should indeed clean the box. Yes I got the DVD from Aviationmegastore and have to say it is the absolute reference. This contains a lot of huge resolution large pictures. This even gives an excellent view of all the markings including the technical stencils for the brave soul willing to recreate them. Here it is: https://www.aviationmegastore.com/in-detail-no-5-thai-aircraft-in-detail-set-in-0005-best-wings-set-in-0005-aviation-photo-cds/product/?action=prodinfo&art=84246 Unfortunately, the CD with the L-39 is not available for many years. This is why I got the DVD that also contains other walkarounds ( A-10, Hornet, SuperHornet, Hawk and Alpha Jet). Hope this helps. BR Thierry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I have some interesting information for you Thierry, just waiting for you to make some space in your in box... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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