John1 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) All I can add is that WNW's instructions make a convincing case for most D.VII's lozenge being overcoated with a brownish glaze in the field. They include some color pics of the actual fabric. I applied the kit decals and then sprayed them with a diluted coat of brown. I'm happy with the end results. Edited May 13, 2017 by John Irwin Kagemusha and Out2gtcha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrov27 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 ooh - I like that John - very nice effect on the loz Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ron Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 That is convincing too John, Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 The only piece of the puzzle left for his mount were which lozenge decals to use, and thus thread has given me confidence to use the OOB WnW decals oversprayed with a highly deluded mix of neutral buff Some of my friends, think I'm highly deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ron Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 All I can add is that WNW's instructions make a convincing case for most D.VII's lozenge being overcoated with a brownish glaze in the field. They include some color pics of the actual fabric. I applied the kit decals and then sprayed them with a diluted coat of brown. I'm happy with the end results. I wish I had seen this for my builds. Your's looks so much more convincing than mine. I really like it Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clunkmeister Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I disagree, Ron. The brown was applied in the field using tinted varnish. Not all machines got the treatment. The bright loz is factory fresh. And remember, these things were throwaway equipment. Well, maybe not German stuff as much as the Brit fighters. Fokker built high quality well built aircraft compared to Sopwith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Except for that bit where the wings fell off.... But I do like the tinted overspray on the loz. LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I disagree, Ron. The brown was applied in the field using tinted varnish. Not all machines got the treatment. The bright loz is factory fresh. And remember, these things were throwaway equipment. Well, maybe not German stuff as much as the Brit fighters. Fokker built high quality well built aircraft compared to Sopwith... I don't have them handy but the WNW's instructions (IIRC) made a convincing case that the brown glaze was applied to most D.VII's, aside from early machines. I'm by no means an expert but most of the pics I've seen of actual machines, that are of decent clarity, seem to show a subdued loz. I've seen pictures of factory fresh D.VII's that appear to be toned down, so I'm not certain it was just a random field applied thing. As always, there will be many exceptions to the rule. A fascinating subject for sure. With regard to the kit loz, I too think they are too bright and much prefer the aftermarket alternatives. Had zero problems applying the kit decals though. Went down quite easily with a bit of setting solution and some patience. Edit - Here's a link to the WNW instructions. http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3079&cat=4 Got some nice pics present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Hi Brian Being a newbie to WNW and their Lozenge decals for the Roland, my observations are strictly based on application and how they are looking so far. Decals are by Cartograf, so the quality is top of the line. They lay down like skin and with some Micro Set and Sol, conform to the lumps and bumps with no issues. I started with the lower wings and really didn't understand what the dotted lines and arrows actually meant in the instructions, as the decals fit the wings perfectly. Rib tape was easy, just takes some time. The upper wings I discovered, the decals needed to be cut and applied from leading to training edge to fit. I'm half way though and no real issues. The Roland for me is my learning curve, so I'm noting all my mistakes on where I went wrong and what the proper way to go should be. Color wise, the Lozenge decals are bright and seems to replicate a newly painted aircraft. I'm not a weathering guy so they are perfect for my style but may not be correct for in service aircraft. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta 14 addict Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Brian, here's an example of the WNW Lozenge decals applied on my Roland base plate, without the use of paint to tone it down. And afterwards, with the use of Tamiya XF-27 Black Green, which was heavily diluted. Same decals, but a completely other appearance, just to show you that their are no rules connected to the use of WNW decals. Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Danny What a dramatic change. Thanks for posting Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karimb Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Brian! okay lets see.... Bad? not really...they are a bit strong and vibrant to my taste... what you can do if you don't plan on spending on the cookie cut Aviattic lozes looks like you have two options. First would be to tone them down, and it works a treat. i usually post shade with tami smoke etc, then a good oil dot fading and satin coat works a treat... second route you can go down on is.... well since you have the Silhouette plotter i could send you the 4 and 5 loz templates i have made for my Silhouette plotter and you can get them airbrushed on... i warn you this actually is quite an andeavour in time and effort but the results are also quite spectacular... Let me know if you want the lozes as a cut file my friend! and looking forward to your build! Karim Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) Guys Keep the comments and info coming - I'm learning a ton Peter Edited May 13, 2017 by Peterpools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 The cool thing about this learning process, is the wide-open interpretation not only of photos, but what suits each builders eye. This is sort of like trying to define the "typical" Sherman tank from WWII. Just when you think you really know the subject, someone shows up with a new pic... Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Thanks Mike I'm still working on the basics but making progress Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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